Rick Warren/Purpose Driven Expose' Thread

[chatty-kathi]

 
More on the connection between C. Peter Wagner, John Wimber, and Rick Warren.
 
From http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/heresy.html we come to understand why Rick Warren is making Africa the first Purpose Driven nation:

Why is the Third World so much more open to God's kingdom power then the developed world? It is, according to Wimber, primarily because of world view. The Third World mentality is one in which satan, demons, angels, elemental spirits, and even household gods, are interacting with us in everyday life. Those with this paradigm, or, world view, seem to have no problem with believing in a supernatural God or His miracles, in fact, they would expect God to perform miracles. Supposedly because their world view allows for this, it happens. With that kind of world view, God can be God! (Bill Randles, Weighed and Found Wanting, 1995, http://www.hutch.com.au/~...haris/randles/randle1.htm)

From this link, http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html we read:

"He holds a radical Arminianism (some might well argue it is Pelagianism). Wimber seems to have little or no appreciation of the doctrine of the Fall and speaks of being involved in "restoring the Edenic state" in and through his ministry." (Assessing the Wimber Phenomenon, Dr. Don Lewis)

It is this radical Arminianism, as well as the belief that demons are what hinder people from coming to Christ, which Warren learned at Fuller, that lies behind these statements by Rick Warren: 

"It’s almost guaranteed that if you bring those you care about to a Saddleback Easter service, they will come to know Jesus”, and  “It is my deep conviction that anybody can be won to Christ if you discover the felt needs to his or her heart.”

 
From these links, http://www.deceptioninthe...ch.com/premilpostmil.html and  http://www.deceptioninthe...rch.com/warrenquotes.html we see this is more than a revival.  It is a revolution:
 

"What is about to come upon the earth is not just a revival, or another awakening, it is a veritable revolution. The vision was given in order to begin to awaken those who are destined to radically change the course, and even the very definition of Christianity." (Rick Joyner, The Harvest, "Joel's Army.")

...Carl George is the former director of the Charles E. Fuller Institute of Evangelism & Church Growth which is affiliated with Fuller Theological Seminary and was founded in 1975 through the vision of C. Peter Wagner, then director of the Fuller Evangelistic Association. (John Wimber became the first director of the Institute, turning it over to Carl George in 1978.) C. Peter Wagner, in his foreword to "Prepare Your Church for the Future" praises the book as “the most significant step forward in church-growth theory and practice since 1970.” Many churches are experimenting with the Meta Model throughout the United States and it is an integral part of the Church Growth movement of C. Peter Wagner. In Carl George’s most recent book, "The Coming Church Revolution", forty churches using the Meta Model are reviewed and analysed. These include churches like Willow Creek (Bill Hybels) and other seeker-sensitive or 'purpose-driven' church networks like Saddleback Church (Rick Warren), Cincinnati Vineyard and Fairhaven Alliance Church.

The Meta Model is about transforming the Church, and is the model used by Peter Wagner and Rick Warren.
 
Warren was interviewed prior to announcing his PEACE Plan at Angel Stadium in The Orange County Register, 9/18/05. He said,

"Why are you here? I’ll tell you why you are here,’ said Warren … ‘Because you were marked by God to be part of a revolution.’”

 
From this link http://www.deceptioninthe...rch.com/warrenquotes.html we read
that Warren spoke at a Schuller event with Wimber, Hybels and others:

Listed faculty for The Robert Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership, Jan.27-30, at Crystal Cathedral campus included: Schuller, John Wimber (Vineyard "signs and wonders" guru), Bill Hybels, Charles Blake (Church of God),Walt Kallestad, John Maxwell, and Rick Warren. Ken Medema was at piano (9/16 CT). Hybels, Wimber, and David Cho were 1994 speakers. Tony Campolo and Jack Hayford were listed as 1995 speakers.

From the above link, there are also links that show Warren's "PDC" book is on the supplemental reading list at Wagner Leadership Institute in Pastoral Ministries and in the Institute’s Church Growth Movement.

There is a link to show Warren is on committees for Mission America (part of the C. Peter Wagner NAR).  Listed are the Honorary Committee members, Rick Warren, Peter Wagner, and many well known Evangelicals, including Ravi Zacharias.

There is a link to show Fuller Seminary publishes Warren's "Ministry Toolbox".  Another link shows Warren is featured in the Ministry Advantage newsletter by Fuller Seminary, which includes articles by Peter Wagner, Rick Warren and John Wimber.

There is a link to show Warren is a member of the American Society For Church Growth at Fuller, which includes C. Peter Wagner of Global Harvest Ministries and The World Prayer Center.

Warren, along with Peter Wagner and others, is a featured speaker in Satellite Seminars at Community Full Gospel Church at another link.
Warren is listed by Tommy Tenney, along with Peter Wagner, Emergents and Charismatics as a “top infuencer” at another link.

Finally, there is a link where C. Peter Wagner Praises Warren's methods in Wagner’s book, Churchquake.   

[LionsforJESUS]

HAS anyone seen this latest video of Rick Warren? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qntd6sIeb8

Now tell me how is this being a light unto the World? How is this warning those who are going to hell quickly and daily? How can a pastor do this and not care for the LOST ones who are going to hell?
This is very disturbing. And It is very confusing isn't it.
Rick Warren forgot this verse didn't he.

James 4:4
You [are like] unfaithful wives [having illicit love affairs with the world and breaking your marriage vow to God]! Do you not know that being the world's friend is being God's enemy? So whoever chooses to be a friend of the world takes his stand as an enemy of God.

Letting the TRUTH be the TRUTH no matter what.

RW

[Death Before Apostasy]

Brother Lions: Thank you for the u-tube on RW. Here is a wolf that 70% +/- of churches in N-Am have dedicated a month to. After guys / wolves like him get super rich they let their sheepskins fall off and expose themselves for what they are to anyone that knows and holds to the Word of God. The innuendos in the video are unbelievable. 20 kinds of music?? I used to love old country and have a 1000 hrs. that I can’t listen to anymore as it glorifies sin. I hate the 7/11 music that is sung in so many churches (7 words repeated 11 times).  The guy interviewing RW played him like a fiddle and he didn’t even see it.
     So many fragile bro.’s around here jump on every wagon that comes along. The books all seem so good and enlightening.      Myles Munroe was the last one to circulate around here I read it and was blessed by many things he expounded and then saw many totally going off the deep end, holding Christ as #2 and moving into a (un)-spiritual place that us normal Christian haven’t attained to. They won’t even call themselves Christian anymore, as that’s a label that was given by the heretic’s.
    There are so many wolves out there that are such good writers and speakers, but are leading people that are searching for salvation straight into the pit. Engineers of the “Great falling away”.    Do you think that there is a special place in hell for wolves that come in sheep’s clothing?
                       Thanks a lot Lion’s (sarcasm) for making me so angry this morning.           DBA

[LionsforJESUS]

                       Thanks a lot Lion’s (sarcasm) for making me so angry this morning.           DBA

No problem LOL . I glad you share in my growling.

[SoftTouch]

From Lighthouse Trials Research Ministry:

Report on Rick Warren Speaking at Muslim Convention:

On December 15th, Lighthouse Trails reported that Rick Warren would be speaking at the 8th Annual Muslim Public Affairs Council(MPAC) Convention on December 20th. That conference has now taken place and below is a revealing commentary by one of the other speakers. The article addresses the present situation where Warren is being strongly criticized by the homosexual community and the media for his support on banning homosexual marriage. According to the article, Melissa Etheridge, a popular lesbian rock singer and songerwriter, who met and spoke with Rick Warren at the convention, was very impressed with Warren and feels he may change his stance on homosexual marriage with "some work" by those in favor of homosexual marriage.

Aside from Etheridge and Warren, New Age guru Deepak Chopra was also featured (by video). It is interesting to note that the writer of the article said he read The Purpose Driven Life for the first time on his way to the convention. He notes that there are "passages" in PDL that "are an unwitting argument for the unity of religions." He also gives Rick Warren credit for helping more evangelicals vote Democrat.

Below, the article:

Sunday, December 21, 2008
Juan Cole, President of the Global Americana Institute

I was in Long Beach,Ca. on Saturday for the annual conference of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, where Pastor Rick Warren and I were both headliners.

Also appearing on the stage Saturday evening were Melissa Etheridge and Salman Ahmad, singing Ring the Bells.... There are two stories here ... One is Rick Warren addressing a Muslim audience. The other is his being at the same event with Etheridge, who is gay.

Warren will read the invocation at President-Elect Barack Obama's inauguration, a choice that angered the gay community. Warren supported Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage (and forcibly divorced or 'de-married' 18,000 gay couples already married in California).....

Warren took the stage, friendly and ebullient, and implicitly complained about the bad press he has gotten since Obama announced he would read the invocation.....

Warren said, "Let me just get this over very quickly. I love Muslims. And for the media's purpose, I happen to love gays and straights."

He explicitly mentioned meeting Etheridge, and explained that he has been a long time fan of hers, beginning with her self-titled first album of 1988. "I'm enough of a groupie," he said, "that I got her autograph on the Christmas album." ...

Warren, in short, is a representative of the turn of some evangelicals to a social gospel. Since evangelicalism is a global movement and very interested in mission, his social gospel not surprisingly becomes a global social gospel....

Once a pastor turns, as Warren did, to a social gospel, then he has social goals to accomplish, and he needs all the help he can get. A social gospel creates a field of practical ecumenism....

So you begin to see why Obama is reaching out to this man.... If Warren is the future of the American evangelical movement, then many more evangelicals might end up Democrats ... And if any significant proportion of evangelicals can be turned into consistent Democrats, the party would more regularly win elections in some parts of the country and even nationally....

I came away liking and looking up to Warren. In fact, I wonder whether with some work he could not be gotten to back off some of the hurtful things he has said about gays and rethink his support for Proposition 8. Click here to read this entire article.

Other Coverage on the MPAC/Warren Story:

Pastor Rick Warren addresses Muslim group, emphasizes need to find common ground, Los Angeles Times

"We're always looking to work with unlikely partners, and I think he's a new kind of evangelical," said [MPAC] spokeswoman Edina Lekovic. "We have a lot in common."

[SoftTouch]

 

[Gregorian]

Islamic Society convention lands appearance from Rick Warren
http://blogs.indystar.com...9/06/islamic_society.html

June 19, 2009

The Indiana-based Islamic Society of North America will be holding its annual convention -- the largest yearly gathering of Muslims on the continent -- in Washington, D.C. over the Fourth of July weekend.

And while convention leaders are holding out hope that President Barack Obama might make the convention his latest stop in his outreach to the Muslim world, the convention has landed another pretty big fish as a featured speaker.

Purpose-Driven pastor Rick Warren has agreed to appear at the convention and be part of its main session discussing the convention's theme -- "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Joining Warren for the session is ISNA President Ingrid Mattson and noted Muslim scholar Hamza Yusuf.

Warren's scheduled visit to the convention follows ISNA leader Sayyid Syeed's appearance last December at Warren's Saddleback Civil Forum on Public Health. Warren was unavailable this week to comment about the appearance.

His involvement with ISNA follows the Muslim organization's attempt to build partnerships with people of other faiths, including the Union of Reform Judaism and the American Baptist Churches. You can read more about all this in my story scheduled for the Sunday edition of The Indianapolis Star.
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I wonder if he'll tell all of those gathered muslims that salvation and eternal life can only be received by accepting Jesus. Somehow, I doubt it...

[SoftTouch]

Why doesn't this surprise me    All I can say is I Pray Warren is just unaware of what he's doing and that the Lord will Open his eyes (and soon!) and that Warren will Repent and start teaching others that the things he taught before were Wrong

[Mike 99]

Why doesn't this surprise me    All I can say is I Pray Warren is just unaware of what he's doing and that the Lord will Open his eyes (and soon!) and that Warren will Repent and start teaching others that the things he taught before were Wrong

That is a good thing to pray for..
There have been soooooo many people that believe the jesus spirit is the true Jesus Christ and won't listen to anyone that tries to tell them different. 'Strong delusion'

  Father God I pray that you would give these teachers of Your Word knowledge of WHO YOU ARE and let them be guided back to Your Word. Let them have Your Hand upon them and remove this false jesus spirit from them, open their eyes so they will know the truth. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Your Son, Amen

[SoftTouch]

Father God I pray that you would give these teachers of Your Word knowledge of WHO YOU ARE and let them be guided back to Your Word. Let them have Your Hand upon them and remove this false jesus spirit from them, open their eyes so they will know the truth. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Your Son, Amen

 

[Whrose]

Father God I pray that you would give these teachers of Your Word knowledge of WHO YOU ARE and let them be guided back to Your Word. Let them have Your Hand upon them and remove this false jesus spirit from them, open their eyes so they will know the truth. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Your Son, Amen

 

praying in heartfelt agreement. 

[WaitWatchPray]

Amen!

Please, Father, open the eyes of those who are following these teachers blindly; give them a true knowledge of You and help them see that all they need to know about You is in Your Word.

[Caretaker]

 

[Mike 99]

   An Open Letter to Pastor Rick Warren
By Jan Markell
       
 
On July 5 the Washington Times online reported that Pastor Rick Warren told his Islamic audience, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA,) that he envisions "a coalition of faith." Whether Pastor Warren knows this or not, this is just another term for the coming one-world religion outlined in Revelation 13. It is further outlined in Revelation 17. I have not taken on the issue of Rick Warren all that often, but after reading what the Washington Times has to say about his message to a group of spiritually lost Muslims, I feel I must address this in an open letter to who many say is the most influential pastor in America and some would say the world.
 
Pastor Warren, you pleaded with 8,000 Muslim listeners on Saturday, July 4, to work together to solve the world's greatest problems by cooperating in a series of interfaith projects.  You said, "Muslims and Christians can work together for the common good without compromising my convictions or your convictions."
 
Pastor Warren, you needed to compromise the convictions of the Muslims in attendance. To just say that "My deepest faith is in Jesus Christ" was not enough to a thoroughly lost crowd. The hour is too late to withhold a gospel message without which they will face a Christless eternity, and you will be held accountable. The "world's greatest problems" will always be with us and the Bible says so in Matthew 26:11. Sin is at the root of them. I have to conclude you are more interested in ecumenical unity and solving AIDS, poverty, and other social issues. Last Saturday you were given a golden opportunity that 99.9% of American Christians could never get.
 
You said you were not interested in interfaith dialogue, but you seize every opportunity to talk to all religions and you always leave out the gospel. You even address Jewish groups but you tell them how to grow a mega-synagogue like your own church, Saddleback.  In this "can't we all get along?" generation, you usually leave out the only good news left: There is salvation in Christ and Christ alone (Acts 4:12), and the hour is late, so make a conscious decision to be a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
You told ISNA, "Talk is cheap but love is something we do together. We must do something to model what it is to live in peace, to live in harmony." Pastor Warren, you know your Bible better than that, don't you? The Bible says there will never be peace and harmony in this world until the Messiah rules from His theocratic kingdom. The U.N. spews the same kind of pagan "peace concepts." Aren't you above that?  You would likely never suggest your Muslim audience pray for the peace of Jerusalem (Psalm122:6), yet you push for foolish and hopeless ecumenical peace!
 
In your speech you included three suggestions: 1) Create a coalition to end religious stereotyping; 2) Work together to restore civility to American society; 3) Take a common stand against attacks on freedom of religion and freedom of speech. There is civility in American society so why are you even suggesting there might not be? But you won't find much of it in Islamic society. Go see the film, The Stoning of Soraya M, the true story of what happens to a lot of innocent Muslim women. It's a lot more gross and bloody than any horror flick and this is reality, not fiction. The Muslims you addressed know all about this procedure. ISNA wants Sharia Law everywhere on earth! You missed a golden opportunity to challenge them to stand up to Islamic governments that perpetrate such atrocities.
 
Pastor Warren, you then went on to say the media was clueless as to what Christians and Muslims believe. They know very well what both faiths believe. They believe Christians are the new Taliban, and they press for hate crime legislation that will protect Muslims. You then said, "It's the truth that sets us free." Why did you take John 8:32 out of context? You twisted the very words of Jesus when you should have been proclaiming the words of Jesus.
 
The ISNA stated how impressed they were with your charitable work. What charitable work have they done? As terror expert Steve Emerson says, "ISNA has has been an umbrella and a promoter of groups that have been involved in terrorism."  Here again you could have challenged them, but then you would not be invited back had you done so.
 
Joseph Farah says, "Suffice it to say the ISNA is no friend of Christianity or America." Yet in 2007, Rick Warren was one of many "evangelical leaders" who signed a document begging forgiveness from Muslims for all the evil deeds perpetrated against them by Christians. What evil deeds have true Christians committed against Muslims? Now, Pastor Warren, you've gone beyond pandering and are sounding like a fool along with all others who signed that document.
 
Even the secular Washington Times noted, "Mr. Warren was sparse in his mentions of Jesus and God." But since works and good deeds were stressed, this reinforced the belief of ISNA members that works will help them get to Heaven.
 
Pastor Warren, you stated you were committed to "the common good" and that you are commanded to "respect everybody." You don't want to deal with the verse that says we are to preach to gospel to all creation" (Mark 16:15). It seems to me that you are more interested in marching hand-in-hand with other faiths down the winding road to the coming one-world religion. 
 
There is literally a mini-revival going on with Muslims turning to faith in Jesus, particularly out of the U.S. It would have been nice, Pastor Warren, if you would have thought of that and tapped into it. We don't expect you to give altar calls at such meetings as this one. We do expect you to lift  high the Name of the Prince of Peace who is coming again and who offers eternal life to all who ask, "What must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:30, Acts 16:31). Many just wanted some variation of that quoted among your many ecumenical statements and how to solve the world's problems -- impossible without God's help.
 
To better understand this, order Caryl Matrisciana's brand-new film, Islam Rising, pictured and described on the left sidebar. Also visit my Web site category of "Islam & the Arabs."
 
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[Whrose]

Amen Jan Markell!

Pastor Warren needs more of these brothers and sisters ( as well as all of our prayers)
talking to him instead of the snakes he has been hanging around.

[SoftTouch]

Amen Jan Markell!

Pastor Warren needs more of these brothers and sisters ( as well as all of our prayers)
talking to him instead of the snakes he has been hanging around.

You'd be sadly surprised at the number of Pastor's who have TRIED to reach RW - to no avail   He's been warned over and over again, both Lovingly and Sharply Rebuked... Still he continues on his path as the pied piper leading the spiritually blinded astray