FQ204 The 2012 Deception

[Whrose]

Which FQ show was the one where they discussed Mount Hermon?

Answer FQ show 171

Listened to this show once again.

Mount Hermon is a volcano as well and a most interesting history and location!

[Whrose]

http://www.bibleplaces.com/golanheights.htm

Mount Hermon from the south

Mt. Hermon is the southern tip of the anti-Lebanon mountain range.  The highest peak of Mt. Hermon is 9,230 ft. The highest point inside Israel's borders today is Mizpe Shelagim, the “snow observatory,” at 7,295 ft.  In the Bible it is known as Ba’al Hermon, Sirion, and Sion.  Psalm 133 gives an image of the pleasantness and fruitfulness of this mountain. It speaks of the bounty of water, a place that receives much precipitation. Hermon, on average, gets 60 inches of precipitation a year (in 1992 it received 100 in).  It is quite possible that the Transfiguration took place somewhere on the slopes of Mt. Hermon, as Jesus and his disciples were previously noted to be in the “region of Caesarea Philippi.” Caesarea Philippi sits at the base of Mt. Hermon and thus Mt. Hermon could be the mountain where Jesus took the disciples.

[summer]

O!  Wrose  you  are   so  wonderfull  with  your  maps & pictures....

[Whrose]

Here is a tetonic plate map of the region.

http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/pro...logy-of-lebanon/fig4.html

[Whrose]

O!  Wrose  you  are   so  wonderfull  with  your  maps & pictures....

Thanks Summer, I am also very visual in learning and love pouring over maps/charts etc

[Whrose]

I do apologize if my jumping around all over ideas and geography is causing any one confusion. It is my hope that all this will come together as we grown in understanding of Rev 8&9

Found this most interesting site "ASK". Check out this interesting article(not too long)
This excerpt is taken from the book "The Damascus Phase of End-Time Prophecy"
by Ernest L. Martin Ph.D., November 1, 1999
edited by David Sielaff, March 2005

Anyone know anything about Ernest Martin or this book?

http://www.askelm.com/temple/t991101.htm

EXCERPT

Mount Hermon

We now come to Mount Hermon. Damascus also had a "high place" as its own "holy place" and it was a legitimate "holy mount." The people of Damascus had their own "holy mountain." It was the highest of the mountains from the Euphrates in the north all the way south to Egypt and down to the center part of the Sinai peninsula. That mountain was "Mount Hermon." It was the greatest of the sacred mountains of the Middle East. It was considered the most holy mountain of the early Hittites, of all the Gentiles of Palestine and even by the Greeks and Romans (see Encyclopaedia Britannica, vol.5, p.876). Even in the Greek and Roman periods Mount Hermon’s sanctity was recognized as the central worship of all the Gods of the world (no matter who they were). Look at this fact. At the bottom of Mount Hermon on the southwest side was a place called Panias by the Greeks after the time of Alexander the Great (it is the modern day, Banias) which was Caesarea Philippi in New Testament times. This place was a very ecumenical "holy place" that was devoted "to ALL the Gods of the whole world" (NOT simply to the single "God" of any particular nation). Indeed, the word "Panias" at the foot of Mount Hermon in Greek meant that the place was devoted as a divine sanctuary to "All the Gods." On the northeast section of this "divine mountain" was the principal city of the area. That city was Damascus whose people in ancient times looked directly toward their Mount Hermon as the center place of their religious beliefs (and, not only that, this very mountain was believed to be in the eyes of most early peoples on earth as being the most important of all mountains in the world).

This location takes an important direction when you consider Israel is invaded in endtimes from the north

[menas]

Help me understand Menas, as I focus around this circle

Rev 13 beast #1. Rises up from the sea
Rev 13 beast aka FP. Comes up out of the earth.

Locusts come out of the pit on earth, their King is Apollyon
Star falling from heaven unto the earth is ____Rev 9:1
Apollyon comes out of the earth as described Rev 13 beast #2 the FP?

Wormwood the star is cast down from heaven and falls upon 1/3 part of rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
Wormwood is the name of the great star  that falls upon the seas.

Is the falling star in Rev 9:1 the same of different from falling star Wormwood Rev 8:10-11

Could the star Wormwood then be Rev beast #1 that rises from the sea. Or the dragon?
Apollyon Rev beast #2 comes out of the earth.

 

OK. One thing at a time.
First, some confusion arises due to your assumption that the abyss is located on land. Yet, as Johny mentioned, the abyss according to the Jews, is located in the sea. Check it out (tehom). So, the being from the abyss is the beast from the sea (AC).

Rev 13 speaks of two beasts. From my understanding the first one is the AC. The second is the FP. It is also my understanding that the FP paves the way for the AC. The FP is the illusionist, the wizard, the one that makes mankind accept the AC as god. If these parallel, mimic the relationship of our Lord and John the Baptist, then the FP will come first to prepare the way for an imminent arrival.

On this general framework, let us add some more info.

Rev 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven to the earth: and to him was given the key of the ABYSS (bottomless pit)
…
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the ABYSS (bottomless pit), whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue has his name Apollyon

A terrible beast is released from the abyss. An ANGEL. We are also given some of the angels names. Abaddon,  Apollyon

Next

Rev 11
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth.
…
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the ABYSS (bottomless pit) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

So, who kills the two witnesses? Abaddon, Apollyon, the angel of the abyss. Yet now it is directly mentioned as [the BEAST that ascends out of the abyss].

So now we know that an angel locked in the abyss, named Abaddon, Apollyon, is one of the two beasts of Rev 13 and is the one that eventually kills the two witnesses.

Rev 17

 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit on a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns

Here we see more details about one of the beasts. This time we learn that one of the beasts  is scarlet in colour. What does the Rev say about this beast?

7 And the angel said to me, Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the ABYSS (bottomless pit), and go into perdition

Well, by now this should become clear. The key word relates the passages directly. This beast is once more the one we have been seing so far. Abaddon, Apollyon, the angel of the abyss, the beast that will kill the two witnesses, is the scarlet beast that carries Babylon the great. The further info from Rev 17 (among many others) makes it clear that this beast is what we have come to understand as the Antichrist.

Thus we summarize. The first beast of Rev 13, the Antichrist, the man of perdition, the lawless one, aka Abaddon and Apollyon, is the angel of the Abyss, rises up from the Abyss, carries the mother of harlots on his back for a time, kills the two witnesses, and acts as the god of mankind.

Assuming that you are with me so far, lets move on to the other beast.
Not much is said compared to the AC.

First assumption we can make is that he is also an angel. satan is an angel, the beast is an angel, so the false prophet is probably also an angel, something that is reenforced by what Rev 16 says
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

We also know that
And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,  14 And deceives them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast

Assuming that we are correct so far, we have concluded that another angel, the number three in the satanic host hierarchy, will come in a lamblike fashion and start deceiving mankind with great wonders in order to accept the beast, the angel Abaddon, as their god.

We thus look in the Rev for any potential such occurrence. An important fallen angel that comes to manipulate mankind´s spirit.

What we find is Rev 8
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell on the third part of the rivers, and on the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

It is straightforward that the Rev uses star as a symbol for angel. Here we see a GREAT angel, fall on earth. If we see the Rev´s symbol for lamp, we learn some more. If we check the symbol for waters and fountains of waters, we can end up reading…

…and a great angel fell, burning as it were the spirit of god, and it fell on the third part of mankind and on their spiritual teachings. And the name of the angel is Wormwood.

These things make it quite possible that Wormwood is the FP. The third trumpet therefore speaks of the arrival of the FP. He immediately impacts a third of mankind and all their spiritual teachings are redrawn. The rest of his campaign is already discussed up until the coronation of the beast. The god to come for the FP´s believers.

Well, a couple of things still remain unmentioned.

Lets go back a bit. To the beast. The king, the AC, the angel of the abyss. How does he come out?

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven to the earth: and to him was given the key of the ABYSS (bottomless pit).
2 And he opened the ABYSS (bottomless pit)   

If star=angel, then another angel releases the angel Abaddon.
If you look closer into the words [a star fall], you will find out that the tense used in the greek word is not the present tense. For some reason the interpreters chose to change the proper tense. The actual tense used would make the passage read [I saw an angel that had fallen to earth…]
In any case the parallel with Wormwood, a great angel that has fallen not long before in the third trumpet, can be serious. And lead us to understand that it is Wormwood, the FP, the one that is given the key of the ABYSS, only to release his boss, Abaddon, the beast, the AC.

All in all, besides the dragon satan, there are only two remaining players. Only two beasts, only two angels, only two figures that are the focus of the Revelation. Once this is realized, all the info get into place, either with the one or the other. It is hard to confuse them.
Under this prism, it can be shown that the two equally important figures, NAMED figures, that are mentioned in the fourth seal, are once more the same couple. The one after the other. But this is another discussion.

In Iesous Christos
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[Whrose]

God Bless you Menas.

Yes, that was sparkling clear. My inner circutuit is put straight, LOL

And..now I do understand who the 4th Seal is speaking about, Death the rider on the pale horse and Hell followed with him.

Now this raises another batch of questions and with earnest I might press you to share the other discussion 
Have Death and Hell yet fallen to the earth when they ride?

More questions too. But I am going to let the cement dry and read over and meditate one of my Favorite books in the Bible. Revelation. It just keeps reading better and better! Praise you Jesus 

well........, maybe just one more before I dry. The location of the Abyss.

Now this might need its own thread? I appeal for patience and ((((thank the FQ Team)))) for taking this show thread into maybe another direction. Mike or Tom, I can split it out if you would like our study conversation to clear up this thread topic?

[Dr. Future]

Whrose,

My thoughts about Wormwood now are sort of crazy, but I will be talking about them at the Last Days Conference next week.  "Menas" is getting warm to them...

[Whrose]

The Lord is Good!

How interesting Dr Future! The Lord works in mysterious ways.

I hope that we who do not get to the conference will at some point hear them.

  I feel another quake show coming soon on this. 

Bless you.

[johnnythelongshoreman]

Yeah the Doctor's theories are the best I have ever heard.  I really think its time to expound on these ideas on the qwake sans guest.  Just Doc and Fizzy for a few hours.  That's my brand of qwake!!!!

Johnny

[Hi, I'm Dave]

Menas, bro, please feel free to post stuff like that more often!! 


Makes me wish I had the relish/skrilla/cash to go to the Last Days Conference... Hey, livers regenerate, right? Wonder how much green I could get for a chunk of mine? 

[Death Before Apostasy]

I fully agree on the debunking of the milky way alignment as it is so slow and all, but it will probably be used by satin, the AC or our saving “aliens”.

 I wish Chris would have attempted to debunk the fallowing. 

Mount Hermon in Phoenicia, the first location of extraterrestrial influence with man, lies precisely at 33.33° north 33.33° east ... 2,012.9 miles from the equator and 2,012.9 miles from the prime meridian.

33.33 degrees of the great circle of the earth represents 2012 nautical miles.

There is a huge amount of calculations pertaining to the Roswell event pointing to the year 1947 and 2012. Much too extensive to list here.

The impact area near Roswell lays 33° north latitude, at a distance 2,012 miles from the equator.
       This   latitude, 33.28° multiplied by PI (3.141592653589...) results in a longitude 104.56° ... pinpointing the exact coordinates of the disc impact site near Roswell NM.
                     
  If the pyramid steps on the on the US$ are counted in the Mayan long count from 1776 independence day, guess what year comes up?    2012!

Not to mention the many newer crop circles alluding to 2012.

These are all I can think of off the top of my head but there are more.



Regarding wormwood: I have stated before, I find it ironic that the Ukrainian word for wormwood is
Chernobyl. 

[menas]

Menas, bro, please feel free to post stuff like that more often!! 


 

Dave! Hi bro.

Not much remains to be said, yet it is potentially juicy.

Whoever wants to chase this, please do so. It is so interesting. Your English translation may pose some problems yet Strong´s is very helpful

Step 1. Chase down Abaddon in the Bible. Probably you will find one appearance, the one in the Rev.
Step 2. Now try searching Strong´s H11. Surprise surprise. There are 6 more in the OT!
Step 3. Check out Strong´s interpretation. My Mickelson´s enhanced Strong´s shows a remarkable concrete meaning.
Step 4. A connection to Hades is established from step 3. Follow it to learn about the greek mythology Hades. Take note how important a ‘god’ he was, and especially the duality in the meanings. Both the place and the King of the place/the person.
Step 5. Search Hades in the KJV. Hits 0. Lets try G86. Wow. 7 hits in the NT plus 4 in the Rev.
Step 6. Isolate the four Rev occurrences (since we are thus far going almost totally with the Rev). Any light bulbs?

 Conclusions, imho.
1.   It is highly likely that Abaddon and Hades are THE SAME PERSON/BEING. Having seen that Abaddon is also the AC, we have another bulk of info on the beast, through another of his names, a much better known, the mythological Hades.
2.   In the fourth seal we are told that Hades comes just a bit after the fourth rider, following him. Consequently, the AC rises up in the fifth trumpet which closely relates to the opening of the fourth seal, coming just a bit later.
3.    Having seen that the fallen angel Wormwood is the FP, and that he comes prior to the rising up of the beast, releasing the beast from the abyss, plus that Hades is the beast, it is very hard not to make a notice of a being, with another mythological name, that appears just prior to Hades in the fourth seal. Death!
4.   If we are so far correct, and the being named Death in the fourth seal is Wormwood, the FP, there is a very serious consequence. Namely that the fourth seal fully coincides with the third trumpet which signifies that appearance of Wormwood, the FP. This realization may have immense consequences in terms of Rev interpretation since it shows that the seal and the trumpets are NOT sequential but rather run PARALLEL to each other with the trumpets sounding WITHIN the seals and not after them.

Maybe it is enough. I don´t think that much more is needed from us to know concerning these beings that we may face. Yet there is something more. The cherry on the tip of the cake.
Checking out the info on the mythological Death, along with the info on the angel Wormwood, we cal learn some interesting stuff to further our research. From here on though we get totally out of the Biblical framework and we look into the enemy´s camp. So, special care is required to whomever decides to go there. Yet this is EWP and most are already well trained in such types of infiltrations.
Cutting a long story short, we end up checking a very well known angel to the esoterists, named Choronzon! It is remarkable how close this being resembles the info that we have already gathered. Remarkable. He is also known to them as the dweller of the abyss, the dweller of the threshold and the master of hallucinations. The final cherry is put in place when we learn that when we count the number of the name of Choronzon , we find that it is 333! Maybe then we have put more than a finger on the FP, wormwood. Maybe his true name is choronzon, 333. Riding with his master, the great beast 666, whose true name we still know not.

PS: I hope this took just a bit out of your disappointment for missing the Last Days conference. Give my best to your liver!!! 


         

[Whrose]

Menas, bro, please feel free to post stuff like that more often!! 

Amen!

4.   If we are so far correct, and the being named Death in the fourth seal is Wormwood, the FP, there is a very serious consequence. Namely that the fourth seal fully coincides with the third trumpet which signifies that appearance of Wormwood, the FP. This realization may have immense consequences in terms of Rev interpretation since it shows that the seal and the trumpets are NOT sequential but rather run PARALLEL to each other with the trumpets sounding WITHIN the seals and not after them.

This pretty much describes exactly the impact of this understanding which has caused me to once again re-examine timelines etc etc.

Menas, have you read any of Peter Goodgames research?
www.redmoonrising.com

[trader_cheri]

Summer, I'm not sure if your question was answered.  There is an island off the coast of North West Africa that has a huge fault line in it.  They are concerned and predict that if the volcano erupts again, half of the island will fall into the ocean.

  http://revelation13.net/KingJames8.html

The Canary Islands are off North Africa. If this volcano should erupt again then a giant tidal wave could result from much of the island sliding into the sea, sending giant tidal waves far inland in North Africa, Spain, Portugal, England, the Carribean, and the U.S. East Coast. The U.S. would have just 7-10 hours warning of the waves, not allowing much time to evacuate coastal cities. This Cumbre Vieja volcano is slowly sliding into the ocean, but it is believed that a volcanic eruption could make this volcano wall rapidly slide into the ocean, producing a 300 foot high tidal wave.

[Whrose]

I see that Johnny did answer that question on page one...I almost missed it as well however I am well aware of the volcano on La Palma and have my boat and scuba gear ready ( in the garage) 

Menas

In regards to the 4th horseman. We can look at this seal as you have suggested or another way we can look at it is from a sequential point of view as the Lord as listed them. If the latter, one must ask if death and hell are present before the Trumpet Judgments. Historically the answer is yes going all the way back to Genesis. Death and Hell have been riding together a long long time.

Bless you. This discussion has been a real eye opener for me.

[menas]

Menas, have you read any of Peter Goodgames research?
www.redmoonrising.com

 

No I haven't. I will have a look. 

Thanks for the link

[WaitQuickly]

Summer, I'm not sure if your question was answered.  There is an island off the coast of North West Africa that has a huge fault line in it.  They are concerned and predict that if the volcano erupts again, half of the island will fall into the ocean.

  http://revelation13.net/KingJames8.html

The Canary Islands are off North Africa. If this volcano should erupt again then a giant tidal wave could result from much of the island sliding into the sea, sending giant tidal waves far inland in North Africa, Spain, Portugal, England, the Carribean, and the U.S. East Coast. The U.S. would have just 7-10 hours warning of the waves, not allowing much time to evacuate coastal cities. This Cumbre Vieja volcano is slowly sliding into the ocean, but it is believed that a volcanic eruption could make this volcano wall rapidly slide into the ocean, producing a 300 foot high tidal wave.

When that volcano falls into the sea the sea there turns blood red, some sort of sediment there is red and fills that whole sea. To prove it is that volcano we can calculate the sea's area in propertion to the seas in the rest of the world.

From Wikipedia:

Pacific Ocean covers about 46% of the Earth's water surface and about 32% of its total surface area. At 169.2 million square kilometres (65.3 million square miles) in area, this largest division of the World Ocean

The Atlantic Ocean is the second-largest of the world's oceanic divisions; with a total area of about 106.4 million square kilometres (41.1 million square miles), it covers approximately one-fifth of the Earth's surface.

There for the total Earth's water surface (1st paragraph) = 100/46 x 65.3 = 141.97 million sq miles

So the % of the world's water surface for the Atlantic Ocean (2n paragraph) is 41.97/141.97 x 100 = 28.9% which is approx 1/3rd of the earth's ocean.

There is no other ocean on the planet which is 1/3rd of the earths total waters. Looks like the La Palma Volcano in the Canaries is the only candidate for the mountain in Rev.

[menas]

OK......

Lets say wormwood is satan or one of the fallen angels...and his fall causes an eruption of a volcano etc...., any ideas where this volcano is located geographically?

How about something like Santorini? When those stars comes down to earth we are not going to see star men falling but earth cataclysmic events IMHO

How about...Iceland?

http://www.reuters.com/ar...cle/idUSLDE63E0N420100415