FQ204 The 2012 Deception

[Merv]

The 2012 Deception

Show # 204

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12 APRIL 2010

RESEARCHER CHRIS WHITE DEBUNKS THE PSEUDOSCIENCE AND “PSYCHO-BABBLE” OF THE “2012 DECEPTION” AND ITS DIABOLICAL AGENDA, ON THE 12 – 16 APRIL 2010 “FUTURE QUAKE” RADIO PROGRAMS

Nashville, TN – Researcher and radio host Chris White, originator of the “2012 Deception” website    (www.the2012deception.net), unveils his research debunking the pseudoscience and ”psycho-babble” surrounding the many claims of the worldwide “2012 mania”, and the diabolical spiritual agenda behind all the confusion, with host “Doctor Future” and co-host Tom Bionic, airing daily during the week of 12 April on the “Future Quake” program, broadcast on the Christian talk radio station WENO, 760 AM in Nashville, TN (and archived at http://www.futurequake.com).  Chris White wears many hats, such as host of the “Nowhere To Run” (www.nowheretorunradio.com) and “Frank And Chris” radio shows, both flagships of the Internet radio-based “Revelations Radio Network”, which offers over twenty Bible prophecy-based radio podcasts.  Much of Mr. White’s recent focus has concentrated on the teaching of the most popular “spiritual” teachers online and worldwide, which have capitalized on the growing concerns by the public over expected earth-shaking events suggested to coincide with the date December 21, 2012.  In this interview, Mr. White discusses his research that is summarized in a presentation planned for delivery at the “Last Days 2010” Conference, held in the greater Nashville, TN area on April 23-24, 2010.  After explaining the basic elements of the “2012 cataclysm” cultural phenomenon, he explains the “true” facts about the Mayan “Long Count” Calendar that features such prominently in 2012 “myths”, and how its limited features have been extrapolated by “2012” devotees.  He further discusses other astronomical and geophysical events that have been proposed to occur (with catastrophic results) at that date, such as the magnetic pole shift or the sudden appearance of a mysterious Planet “X”, and how science can conclusively show that such events will either not occur, or will result in negligible consequences for Earth and its inhabitants.  The other significant aspect of the 2012 “story” is the plethora of teachings pertaining to an imminent and widespread “spiritual enlightenment” or judgment/separation event coinciding with this time, and Mr. White exposes the fraudulent claims and questionable credentials of such teachers making such claims, including popular speakers such as David Wilcock, David Icke and others.  Furthermore, he discusses their claims of having received these instructions from “spirit guides”, and describes the nature and teachings of these “guides”, with illumination on such beings from the pages of the Bible.  He closes with a warning to Christians whom are perceived to be a threat to the spiritual “progress” they plan, and how their actions may fit into a Biblical prophetic model, in this thought-provoking and “timely” discussion.             

“Future Quake”, hosted by “Doctor Future”, is a daily Christian interview and news review radio program, focusing on issues and events that will soon impact our collective futures.  It features interviews with international experts on the topics covered (such as recent guests Alvin Toffler, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Alex Jones, Joseph Farah, Chuck Baldwin and Dr. Jerome Corsi), with constructive, intellectual discussions intended to better inform the public and provide useful information to prepare for the days ahead.  It airs each weekday at 4 PM on WENO, 760 AM in Nashville, TN, the most popular Christian talk station in Middle Tennessee, and extending into much of the Mid-South.  For those that miss the live broadcast, prior shows are archived in .mp3 format for listening on demand at http://www.futurequake.com, or available as a podcast (under “future quake”) at I-Tunes (www.itunes.com).

CONTACT: “Dr. Future”, Host, “Future Quake” Radio Show (drfuture@futurequake.com)

[johnnythelongshoreman]

That was an awesome show.  It's great to know that Chris subscribes to the alien gospel idea.  I really like to see that there are great minds out there that see this coming.  He said that even if somebody has not educated themselves about the great deception that Jesus is so good that he will flash educate them when the time comes.  I would agree with that.  Then doctor Future reminded him about how we need to be watchmen on the wall and sound the alarm and get people ready for the great deception because it is going to sound so convincing.  I agree with that also.  Sounds like i can't make up my mind huh?  I think that there must be some that need to be educated until they get close to Jesus.  Those are the ones that need the education perhaps.  Or maybe we all do.  I don't know.  I think the watchman role sure is important though.

The qwake is not about planet x or the physical pole shift, so it's cool that hardly any time was spent there.  That's more of a topic for ziggy beats or maybe TEOTWAWKII or some other show.  I really do think that the Day of The Lord describes a physical pole shift and that puts me in some pretty good christian company such and Derek and Sharon and Peter Goodgame.  Planet x?  If it's a dark binary little sister of our sun you sure won't see it.  Not even when it's ripping the earths crust loose with it's gravity on the fly by.  But surely the Lord does not need any planet x object to move every mountain from it's place.  He just needs to get mad and things are gonna start moving on a really big scale.

Big planet x fly by (like) events are going to occur on the Day of the Lord.  Who can argue with that?  But you don't need anything other than God's will to make it happen.  In other words.  God can make it all happen just by speaking the word.  So I am not against it all being supernatural and unexplainable by science.

I really love qwake shows like this one.  I know they can't all be like that.  I guess you have to stop and have a tea party from time to time.  But I really love the sci-fi flavored end times qwake shows.  Will listen many times to this one.

Johnny

[Whrose]

Great show FQ!!!

Chris White speaks well about "conspiritronics". His expose of the NA eschatology theories is perhaps one of the best and most articulate arguments I have heard and read to date!

I am already planning on taking up his offers on http://dvdtract.com/
I am so thankful to be able to use his work in some projects I am planning. God Bless you Chris, my words are poor to express my gratitude. It is also super wonderful to find material trustworthy to use for witnessing.

His Biblical description of the characteristics of fallen angels is right on!! It amazingly describes my own experiences and understanding!
Can anyone repeat the list verbatim? Maybe Tom?  please

Johnny, have you considered "wormwood" could be something different than a planet X? Scripture says it is a falling star from heaven. In other verses a "star" represents an angel. Could wormwood be in fact an angel falling to the earth? 

 

[Whrose]

Also, after wormword falls after the sound of the 3rd trumpet judgment we read:

Revelation 8:12

8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Interesting is that we know that satan is kicked out of heaven (Rev 12:7-8) and takes 1/3 of the angels with him.

Could wormwood be satan falling taking 1/3 angels with him taking place in the 3&4 trumpets? Remember the next trumpets #5&6 describe what happens when he falls and releases the demonic locusts and dark angelic brothers that had been confined in the pit!

[johnnythelongshoreman]

Johnny, have you considered "wormwood" could be something different than a planet X? Scripture says it is a falling star from heaven. In other verses a "star" represents an angel. Could wormwood be in fact an angel falling to the earth?

Oh yeah for sure.  I am with the good doctor on wormwood.  His falling angels/stars theory is right on the money.  And he is working up a new theory in that tradition for his talk at the end of days gathering.  I really like his fig/false fruit theory and that plays right into it.  No I am with you guys on wormwood.  it's not about a planet or anything like that.

I am with Chris white on the burning mountain thing.  That is a little chunk of the sun's little sister, black as coal and invisible to the eye unless you can see in infra red.  And coming in from the extreme south which makes it even less visible.

I am a die-hard planet x man.  But it's not a planet, it's a tiny black little sister to the sun.  I think we live in a binary system.  Also, it's not going to come anywhere near the earth.  But is has an estimated mass of 12 times that of jupiter even though it's not much bigger than earth.  Us x-ers call it Vulcan.

But when Vulcan does it's flyby it will be very far away from us.  Between Jupiter and Mars is as close as it will ever get but it is SO HEAVY that it's gravity will mess with us and cause the polar shift and it has hundreds of little friends following it.  It's a tiny solar system.  And the burning mountain is probably one of it's little friends.

Even though I am a hard core planet x man.  I know there may be no such thing.  It's all theory, conspiracy and speculation.  And when the day of the Lord comes.  The creator of the universe does not need any planet x to move all the mountains from their place.  All he has to do is speak the word and it will happen.

The word of God trumphs the physical as Peter Goodgame said in IRON SHOW seven.  God does not need a scientific explanation and he certainly does not need a planet x to bring judgment.  It sure would be cool though huh???

Yeah, Chris White.  He is the man.  What can I say?

Johnny

[menas]

Also, after wormword falls after the sound of the 3rd trumpet judgment we read:

Revelation 8:12

8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Interesting is that we know that satan is kicked out of heaven (Rev 12:7-8) and takes 1/3 of the angels with him.

Could wormwood be satan falling taking 1/3 angels with him taking place in the 3&4 trumpets? Remember the next trumpets #5&6 describe what happens when he falls and releases the demonic locusts and dark angelic brothers that had been confined in the pit!

Hi sis,
Maybe I can add 0,02. This is one of my favorite subjects as you may remember.
I am 100% with you in terms of what beings are wormwood, locusts etc. In terms of who is who, I have come to think the following (only some thoughts).

Abaddon, Apollyon, the king of the abyss, is the AC. He is also called the first beast, the red beast, Hades, …He arises from the abyss during the fifth trumpet. In order to arise a fallen angel performs some action that opens the gate of the abyss in which the beast is locked. His emergence/release coincides with the arrival of a huge host of supernatural beings.

I think wormwood is the fallen angel that opens the gate. We are told of his fall two trumpets earlier. His actions connect him to the second beast, aka the false prophet. Once he is referred to as Death. A great angel falling, causing hallucinations and bitterness with his poison to mankind, leading to the acceptance of the beast, which he then releases.

Like I said, just some thoughts

[Whrose]

At the risk of going of the topic here....well not really as Chris kind of got me to thinking about the planet X theories.
Which are something I could never find agreement with as well.

Menas, brother! Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your sharing this and any other insights.

I came across another passage last evening while chatting on the Ironshow. LOL JOhnny only kicked me off about 8 times but like a good penny I came coming back.

Jeremiah 9:15

9:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

Jeremiah 23:15

23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

Wormwood is found 8 times in the King James and comes from the word  la`anah
feminine noun. Strongs H3939
Root Word (Etymology)
From an unused root supposed to mean to curse
meaning: wormwood a) bitterness

In the Rev 8:12 it is given Strongs H894
From the word apsinthion
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Of uncertain derivation. Though the word is usually neuter, the NT uses a feminine for the proper name.
1) wormwood
2) the name of a star which fell into the waters and made them bitter

Something is different about wormwood used in the Rev 8 passage and when considering it as a star to be a description of satan the fallen angel the whole trumpet judgments read and make so much sense to me!

I was not aware of Dr Futures understanding of this and am looking forward to the possibility he will share?

Johnny, The burning mountain sounds like to me to be a description of a volcano.

Revelation 8:8

8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Interesting because we know the locusts coming out of the pit arrive "as the smoke of a great furnace" and darken the sun and the air. The description could very well cause the darkening of the sun, moon, and stars

Revelation 8:12

8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

I am so excited to be finally understanding these passages differently, even if I am late on the bad wagon!

Of course, I am in no way claiming I know for sure but the trumpet judgments make sense to me now.

[Whrose]

OK......

Lets say wormwood is satan or one of the fallen angels...and his fall causes an eruption of a volcano etc...., any ideas where this volcano is located geographically?

Still pondering wormwood = Appolyon. wow...hmmm....

I kind of got off on a tangent last evening while reading Jeremiah 7-9. The place called "valley of Hinnon" is described and am just embarking on understanding "how and if" these chapters apply to Revelation. The Lord calls it "the valley of slaughter".

[Whrose]

Which FQ show was the one where they discussed Mount Hermon?

[Whrose]

Answer FQ show 171

[menas]

Still pondering wormwood = Appolyon. wow...hmmm....

Read again sis. Wormwood=FP who opens the pit for the beast, AC, Apollyon!

[johnnythelongshoreman]

The burning mountain is thrown into the sea.  Looks way more like a meteor to me.  But there is one volcano that they say is about to do a big landslide and fall into the sea right now.  Which I am afraid would drown you sis.  You are in a bad spot for that one.

I like that wormwood Idea you two are coming up with.  That's probably what the Doctor is thinking.

Johnny

[summer]

 Quote>> But there is one volcano that they say is about to do a big landslide and fall into the sea right now.  Which I am afraid would drown you sis./uc


Johnny  which  is  that  one.??     Would  that  be  near  Cuba?

[Whrose]

Help me understand Menas, as I focus around this circle

Rev 13 beast #1. Rises up from the sea
Rev 13 beast aka FP. Comes up out of the earth.

Locusts come out of the pit on earth, their King is Apollyon
Star falling from heaven unto the earth is ____Rev 9:1
Apollyon comes out of the earth as described Rev 13 beast #2 the FP?

Wormwood the star is cast down from heaven and falls upon 1/3 part of rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
Wormwood is the name of the great star  that falls upon the seas.

Is the falling star in Rev 9:1 the same of different from falling star Wormwood Rev 8:10-11

Could the star Wormwood then be Rev beast #1 that rises from the sea. Or the dragon?
Apollyon Rev beast #2 comes out of the earth.

 

[Whrose]

The burning mountain is thrown into the sea.  Looks way more like a meteor to me.  But there is one volcano that they say is about to do a big landslide and fall into the sea right now.  Which I am afraid would drown you sis.  You are in a bad spot for that one.

I like that wormwood Idea you two are coming up with.  That's probably what the Doctor is thinking.

Johnny

Good point.

Depends where that volcanic explosion is located.

It depends on how you understand the word star used in these passages. If we see it as Revelation defines it we may understand these passages much differently.

[Whrose]

http://www.skimountaineer...ion.php?region=MiddleEast

Volcanoes of the Middle East: Caucasus, Turkey, and Iran
    The Middle East is home to some of the most spectacular and famous volcanoes in the world, including Elbrus, Ararat, and Damavand. These volcanoes and numerous others lie along several ranges in the Caucasus region and throughout Turkey and Iran, and they have all formed due to the ongoing collision of the northward-moving Arabian Plate with the Eurasian Plate. The collision is quite complicated and details of its geology are still poorly understood, but some portions of the Arabian Plate are being subducted beneath the Eurasian Plate (thus forming arcs of stratovolcanoes) while other parts are being deformed and sheared along a number of major faults.
    At the northern end of the zone, the Caucasus Range lies along the frontier between Russia and Georgia/Azerbaijan, thus forming part of the boundary between Europe and Asia. It is primarily a folded and uplifted range of non-volcanic rock, incised by numerous spectacular glaciers, and capped by the volcanic cones of Elbrus and Kazbek. The Caucasus easily tops the better-known Alps as the highest range in Europe, and it contains at least 10 peaks higher than Mont Blanc. The region has severe weather and bitterly cold winters, and the glaciers on Elbrus and throughout the central part of the Caucasus are as extensive as any in the Alps.
    Farther south lies the largest concentration of volcanoes in the region, along the border of Armenia, Turkey, and Iran. Starting with the eroded massif of Aragats in Armenia, the chain extends south through Ararat to the three volcanoes located near Lake Van, Tendurek, Suphan, and Nemrut. Although only Ararat is high enough to support a large icecap, there are several small glaciers on both Aragats and Suphan. The volcanoes in this area receive deep winter snowfalls and are beginning to receive attention from ski mountaineers and even heli-skiers. In central Turkey lie two more isolated volcanoes, Erciyes and Hasan, with the former hosting not only a couple of small glaciers, but also now a relatively large and expanding ski area.

Interesting, I did not realize Mt Ararat (possible resting location of ark of Noah) is a volcano.

The reason I am looking in this location for volcanoes as opposed to western Med region is because I find it fascinating these volcanoes are located in the countries which are listed as same in the Magog Invasion of Israel.

[Whrose]

Question

Revelation 12:15-16

12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Could a volcanic explosion with earthquaking cause this flood thus making this verse more literal!

Or are the words "water as a flood" in this verse a symbol for evil. (traditional understanding)

[johnnythelongshoreman]

Interesting, I did not realize Mt Ararat (possible resting location of ark of Noah) is a volcano.

Yeah I did not know that either.  It sure looks like a full  blow volcano in the documentaries though.  I know what they look like.  I ride my snowboard on a live one (mount Hood) and a dead one (mount Bachelor) And Ararat looks way more like mount hood.  And we all know that the ark rested on the MOUNTAINS of Ararat.  I wish it was more specific.  Cause I really think that we found the arc there.

But this is a burning mountain throw into the sea.  And the only one that is about to do just that is La Palma on the west side of the canary island group.  They say that it will cause a tidal wave like the ones in the movies.  You know?  Like a thousand footer.

Johnnny

[johnnythelongshoreman]

Hey Rose.... the abyss from the sumerian aabsu.  Is not like a big empty fire pit.  It was always accociated with an underground ocean.  Or giant underground lake.  It is also supposed to be fresh water.  So anytime you are talking about the abyss, you have to also picture a whole lot of cold fresh water.

Johnny

[Whrose]

How about something like Santorini? When those stars comes down to earth we are not going to see star men falling but earth cataclysmic events IMHO

http://www.greeceindex.co...es/Santorini_volcano.html
The largest volcanic eruptions on Santorini date to: 197 BC, 1866, 1925 and 1949-1950, the latest with no destructive consequences. However, the non-volcanic earthquake of 1956 damaged the buildings in the entire town and caused the death of 49 people.

Satellite photo of the Santorini Volcano


I think these events are proximal to Israel.

Revelation 12:12

12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Oeevay. I have too many thoughts erupting right now on this exciting adventure.
Need to break and return to this later.