My Daughter Jenny

[trader_cheri]

Thanks for all the prayers and advice everyone.  Jenny and I made it to the craft store.  She got a painting set.  She is so hard to shop with.  Not much enthusiasm...So I think I will go by myself and get her some things to do.  I actually have an easier time getting her clothes when I don't have her with me.  When we do go together, she is not your typical teen.  I have to talk her into getting things.  I don't even know how to relate to that.  My mom never had to encourage me to buy something at her age.

As far as the boy goes...we have not talked to him yet.  The youth leader at our church has been talking to him.  He really wants to talk to Jenny, but we are not allowing that yet.  The kids don't realize how serious this is.  We are waiting to see how serious the boy is about getting right with God and changing his life.  We also do not believe Jenny is strong enough to take a stand with him.  She shouldn't have to be in a situation with a boy where she has to take a stand in the first place.  So we are in a conundrum.  At this point it is easier said than done to forbid contact.  We don't want to push them into rebellion at this age.  It is a tender thing, best fought on our knees.  The battle belongs to the Lord. 

I am amazed at the faithfulness of the Lord through all of this.  He warned me in prayer about them in the first place.  They weren't even on my radar.  I am still having battles with her attitude.  So please keep us in prayer.

[SoftTouch]

You got it Sis! 

[Whrose]

You got it Sis! 

Me too! 

[summer]

Cheri.::  Your  daughter   jest turned  16yrs  now...

  Does  she  have  a  outlook  at  what  she  wants  her  caeer  to  be??

Alot  of  teens   dont.  I  didnt  at  that  age?    If she   has  no  outlook  as  what  she  wants  to  do  in  life.  it  sets  up  a  stage  for  Depression...

My  daughter  came  out  of  Depression,  When  she  found  a  goal  in  life  that   she  fell  in  love  with.......

[trader_cheri]

Where do I begin?  I haven't kept this updated.  I have felt like Jenny's attitude was turning and we were on the right road again.  Little did I know, she was just doing the right things so she could get back with her boyfriend.  The boyfriend has not moved one step in the right direction.  He did not follow through with being personally discipled by the youth leader Gary.  They live a few houses away from each other.  As a matter of fact, Gary caught the kid (Sean) peeking in his bathroom window while his wife was showering.  He knew he had a peeker because he had been seeing tracks in the snow around the window and backyard.  He went outside and as he was going up a small hill he slipped and startled Sean and he ran off.  Gary's first thought was that it was Sean.  He was the same build and ran off in the direction of his house.  He did not call the police because he didn't want the kid to be put on a sex offender list.  He did go over to their house and explained the situation to his parents.  They covered for Sean and said he was there the whole time playing video games with his dad.  The following week Gary got a call from Sean.  He said he was out in the woods behind his house and came upon the peeker.  He said he ran home and got a gun and came back and the peeker ran off and jumped in his truck which was parked on the road and he spun off, Gary called the police and they came out.  Sean gave his statement to the officer and the officer came back to Gary's house and told him, "That kid is your peeker." 

Sean told Gary a week ago that he was going to break up with Jenny.  Two days ago Gary came over to let Jenny know what Sean was planning.  Jenny just sat there and did not show any emotions.  To this day she has not even hinted at being disappointed with Sean.  She knows he is the peeker and it still does not bother her.  She talked to her friend that evening and never mentioned it.  She only said she regretted everything she had done with him.  She went on to my shock and horror and told her friend all that she had done with him.  She is still a virgin, but she has completely lost her innocence.  She also went on to say that she wanted to remain friends with him and maybe someday they could be friends with benefits.  Her friend was trying to cheer her up and said she would bring her sluttiest skirt and shoes over for Jenny to wear.  Jenny said she wants Sean to know what he's missing.  They also talked about cruising around playing their "Godsmack" loudly in the car and tearing up the town.

On the spiritual realm side of things we have had "activity."  My sister spent two weeks with us in January and slept in Jenny's room because it is on the first floor and she had surgery.  She woke up in the night and smelled sulfur in the bedroom.  Last fall I was home alone in the evening. Jenny was at a football game.  I just sat down to eat dinner in the dining room and heard my son's bedroom door open.  His door is different from the rest of the doors.  It slides open and is noisy.  Nobody was in the house but me.  I brought the dog in the house and he would only peek into the dining room and his hair was raised up.  I went around the whole house and looked to see if anyone could be in here.  Nobody was here.  Two weeks ago my son and I were in the living room and we heard the kitchen door close.  I got up and checked it out.  The door was shut and nobody was here.  I came back and sat down with Justin and we were talking about it and concluded maybe it was the cat that made a noise.  Just then the power went out briefly, came on, went off and came on.  By then we got the shot gun out and a flashlight.  I told Justin if someone was in the house it was to their disadvantage to have the lights out and try to get to us.  A couple days later I was going to bed and was still standing up and closed my eyes briefly and saw an image.  It was a black hooded figure.  I did not see a face.  I mentioned it to my husband on the way to church a few days later.  So he knows I saw something.  Wednesday night Jenny saw a shadow person/figure at the foot of her bed.  I also had a very frightening dream a couple months ago.  I was about to physically confront Jenny and she manifested a demon.

I told Jenny about generational curses and she looked it up on the internet.  She saw that a lot of adopted people have curses.  I explained that her biological family has a lot of problems with alcoholism, immorality/prostitution, lying and poverty.  We went all over the way to get rid of the curse.  She seemed like she was ready to do something about it spiritually, but then after Wednesday, she is a different person.  She talked to her friend last night again.  I had given permission for her to spend the weekend with us but changed my mind.  I had a check in my spirit about Jenny.  I did not like the tone of her conversation with her friend the previous night and felt like I was going to have a very bad weekend ahead of me.  Jenny gets very bratty and cruel to me when she has friends around.  It isn't as bad as it used to be, but she was already getting that attitude.  Her friend had told Jenny that she wakes up with scratches on her body.  Jenny told me that her friend is having similar experiences as us.  When Jenny told Chelsea that I had changed my mind and she couldn't come over she did not explain the real reason.  Her friend is not good for her.  She offered to loan one of her books to Jenny so she could escape me for the weekend.  She is the same girl who got her into reading vampire and dragon books.  Jenny also complained about us reading the Bible together and that it was getting on her nerves.

Right now, I am so miserable.  I keep crying out to God.  All I want to do is cry.  I haven't been sleeping much.  It is so hard for me to fall asleep.  My husband is no help.  He has the attitude, "that is what we get for adopting her and she is going to turn out bad no matter what we do". 

So....that sums up my existance right now.  I am in a deep valley right now and can not see the sunlight. 

Please pray for us.

[summer]

Cheri... I  didnt  realize she  was  adoped?  Maybe  in  the  past  you  said  so,  I  dont  remember.
 You  know  you  can  wipppp  this  demon,  I  know  you  can!..

Quote>      So....that sums up my existance right now.  I am in a deep valley right now and can not see the sunlight./uc 

Cheri>>>>>>You  are  the  sun light!   Without  you   Jenny  is,  or  will  be  a  gonner.   
  You  got  to  get  here  doing  other  things ... Away  from  those  friends.   She  needs  a  hobbie  that  will  inspire  here..  For  other  things  besides  those  friends.  What  does  she  lIKE?
Two  more  yrs  she  will  be  18?..
Go  to  the  store  and  buy  Ginger  tea.  Drink  it  half  hour  before  you  sleep ..  It  will  help  you sleep..  Some  how  it  shuts  off  the  brain?  It  works  for  me  all   the  time,

[Whrose]

AMEN SUMMER!

(((((((((((((Sister))))))))))))
Cheri, this is so beautifully simple and true. You are the light in this situation. And the GLORY and POWER and
PEACE of JESUS resides inside you!!!

Your suffering and pain in this situation is related to the Lord has when HE grieves for HIS CHILDREN!

AND OUR LORD is longsuffering, full of compassion, gracious, and merciful. He knows your pain and your heart and just what Jenny needs and will guide you and keep you. He brought her to you for a reason and will guide you and not leave you in this stormy devilish wind alone. The devil will flee from you in the power and presence of this LOVE.

I pray the Lord Strengthen [you]with all [HIS] might , according to HIS glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness 

Your sorrow has struck a deep chord inside my mothers heart today and I am keeping you and Jenny close in my prayers and lifting her to the promise we know and share and celebrate as victors.

And precious Jenny is confused. The teens are a terrible time. Like 2 year olds on wheels. You are the face of the authority that she is rebellling against and takes out all the pain inside her with. And you are the one in this time she truly needs and leans to for protection against herself and the forces that are trying to take advantage of her. She does not understand the danger yet and so she flirts with it. It is one thing to read and hear about it and quite another to reach maturity and wisdom. Keep her close to you and spend as much time and more that you can with her. Hold her close and don't let her go

You are doing a great work of love here sis. Be encouraged and let your light shine. 

 

[Mike 99]

trader_cheri check her room and house for  Ouija Boards these things have spirits attached to them and if brought into your house they have permission from the one that brought it in to do what ever

[trader_cheri]

There are no Ouija boards or anything else occultic here.  Jenny saw a shadow figure six years ago before we had this recent trouble.  Tonight I took her to visit an older sister.  Her sister had a dream recently.  She was at our house and a shadow figure attacked them.  Jenny told me about this on the drive home.  I about fell over but had to drive.  I used that opportunity to make an appeal for her to get her life right.

Thanks for the prayers everyone.  We really do need them.  I started to cry when I read your responses.

Summer, I will try that tea.

[trader_cheri]

Update

I had Jenny's iq tested.  I felt like something was wrong with her thinking ability.  She has a couple of isolated problems.  Her ability to recognize a predator (discernment) is in the 60 iq range, which is retarded.  Her ability to hear instructions and repeat them back is limited too.  She almost tested off the charts when it comes to not wanting to be told what to do.

Somewhere along the line she needs to understand that she lacks the ability to access a situation wisely and she needs to trust a tight circle of people.  She cannot understand why we would want that kid away from her.

Our therapist is going on a long vacation and we will continue when he gets back.  We are going to decide what is the best thing for Jenny's education.  Jenny will be included in this process.  Her math skills are at the 6th grade level.  She merely "functions" at the 10th grade level.

We are also taking her to a different church where they have a big youth group and a dedicated youth pastor.  Please pray that Jenny will cooperate.  She said she wont go to a new church.  She says she has "friends" at our church she doesn't want to leave.  There are two kids there.  One is a girl who is a habitual liar and the other one is that boy who is a pervert and liar.  I am going to talk to her tonight and make her relate to animals.  A mother coon will not let anything near her babies.  She is ferocious because her babies will go to anyone.  They have no discernment to danger at a very young age.  I hope to get Jenny to relate to animals to see our situation.

[Barry]

That's a good analogy, Cheri. You and Jenny are in thought and prayer.

[Whrose]

That's a good analogy, Cheri. You and Jenny are in thought and prayer.

 

This is may be a good understanding not only for Jenny but for other parents. Often our children have vulnerabilities we do not understand and are not mature enough to navigate the evil in the world. They need our protection!

She is so blessed to be with you Cheri.

[trader_cheri]

Thanks guys!

[summer]

Good  move/cheri........ 
 
 

[ServantStrike]

Oh this is bad. I wish I had read this sooner! I've been pacing back and forth and wanting to hit something reading this story unfold.

I'll be keeping you and yours in prayer, for sure, and I might even be able to offer some assistance. I've been where your daughter is... actually I'm still there sometimes so I could use your prayers as well . I'm going to give a brief background on myself to show you where I'm coming from, and please for heaven's sake share this story with your daughter, it might save her a LOT of pain and suffering. If the mods think I'm out of line in any of this post, please let me know and I'll edit it. Meanwhile I'm going to just get this over with as I'm really nervous writing it.

I'm not that much older than your daughter... less than a decade. I went through some seriously confusing and hard times and made the mistake of not learning from them and opening old doors recently. I'm still fighting to get those freaking doors slammed shut, and frankly I've been hoping God would give me a chance to fight against the darkness that has tortured me. Maybe he's giving me that chance now by telling this story.

When I was in high school, I got really sick (it's actually taken YEARS to get over it too and it got worse recently with those stubborn doors - which was dumb of me because it was much better before the doors). Suffice it to say that should indicate that not resolving these types of issues is dangerous, right down to ones own health. I blame myself for much of this. I engaged in three behaviors (among others) which proved dangerous to me. These behaviors opened doors, and they are by no means an exhaustive list of door openers. Your daughter's doors could be different from the ones I opened, but no less devastating if not dealt with. Here are my doors:

- Impurity. I'm still a virgin, but my mind certainly isn't clean. The internet is a horrible thing if abused. I'll leave it at that. I do want to point out something though. From all of the reading I have been doing recently, many occult rituals are centered around counterfeit sexuality and a perversion of what God naturally intended. That area opens up doors that should be bolted shut and guarded 24x7. If your daughter has been in any kind of contact with a peeper, she needs to seriously consider this warning.
- Pride. I was proud of my shortcomings, and frankly didn't want to change anything as I thought I was still good enough that it wouldn't matter. Deep down I knew Jesus wanted more from me, and that I was playing with fire.
-Fantasy. Not the same as the first. I got into Dungeons and Dragons, and while I'm not saying that ALL D&D is bad, the way I played certainly was. I wished I was as powerful as my character. I really felt as though people didn't take me seriously, and it upset me to no end. Escaping into an alternate reality was NOT healthy for me, especially since I don't have the ability to throw fireballs. I do have a pretty sweet set of armor though, and even a sword! Then again every Christian does.
-As a kid, I was interested in ghosts and aliens, although that had subsided by high school, it was still a huge door

Oh and door number 5 was music. I loved heavy music, and if it did nothing else, it encouraged me to curse an awful lot. I'm not saying that all Christians have to abstain from heavy music with profanity in it, but I certainly do (not to worry, there are alternatives that can not only rock just as hard, but they make  you feel good while listening to them ).

Here's the thing about open doors:
-They always lead to deviant behavior (in God's eyes, not nesc. society's eyes).
-They lead to further deviant behavior if not dealt with

Back to the story; sometime during all of this, I started to feel uneasy. At night, it was like Someone was watching me. Oh heavens it was terrifying. I remember one night waking up (or dreaming, I'm not sure) that some strange figure was standing over me wearing a gas mask with a (I think) pale face... I don't remember it having any feet either... *vomit*

Then a few days later, the big one. Some weird looking spirit that I don't want to describe for fear it might give it power touched me. I will say this, it wasn't anything I could have possibly dreamed up. It's coloring wasn't anything organic, and it wasn't bound by the laws of physics. We'll leave it at that. At any rate, It touched me on my lower abdomen on either the right or the left side. I think it was the right, but I might have it confused as I was lying on my stomach when this happened. Several days later I almost died.. My appendix ruptured, but I had just thought it was a really bad case of the flu (although the entire few days I had the strangest feeling that I was dying). I really did think it was the flu as I had just been to a doctor who didn't catch it (it turns out he was just really slow to process my blood work). It's important to point out where I was touched as if you look at an anatomical diagram, the appendix is on the lower left  .
I remember lying in the bath tub trying to find relief from the pain and then screaming for my mom to call an ambulance (if I hadn't gone to the hospital, I would have died). Apparently they said my vitals were pretty bad in the ambulance, and when I finally got scanned at the hospital, my appendix had already ruptured (rather than just being about to rupture). I do remember feeling at peace with whatever would happen because I had already been in the process of trying to get right with Jesus. It was a powerful and moving experience, and the Lord really worked in my life in the weeks afterwards. It was almost beautiful. But it wasn't a good way to find out just how strong Jesus was. I could have found that out without all the other problems. And while my appendix problem went away after surgery, my other health problems have lingered to this day (although I believe that if I turn to Christ with all my heart they will go away, that much he has shown me in the past, and I'm stronger now than I was in high school).

Oh, and I was still attacked after that. I have woken up at night with a voice that was hoarse from praying in my sleep and saying over and over again that I rebuke whatever/whoever is attacking me in the name of Jesus, and that it should go where Jesus says it should (which is NOT HERE). That never fails, either. I've not been touched since. I'm afraid of the dark sometimes though... It makes me feel like something is where it shouldn't be...

The point is pretty much:
-Don't open doors (and for heavens sake if you have any of them open, get rid of them)
-Those doors have to be opened by choice. My experience has shown that with my foolishly falling back into them on occasion like a foolish child stuck wandering the desert for another 40 years (and I don't mean for that comment to be anti-Semitic)
-Jesus is far more powerful than satan and his demons. They cannot stand in the presence of God, nor can they stand the Holy Spirit.
-Take the sword of the spirit, ram it into the enemy's chest, twist the blade, and then praise Jesus for the fact that you're free! But heed Luke 10:19:

 19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
 20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Oh, and coming back to music, if your daughter is on shaky ground Godsmack isn't the right thing to be listening to (at least in my potentially unenlightened opinion). The lead singer practices Wicca, and he even has a song about Voodoo. Maybe I'm digging too deeply into it, but if you're under attack in any way, that's not a good thing to be listening to.
It's a tough call about what to do when your friends play music that has the potential to be spiritually dangerous, and people hate bible thumping evangelists, but listening to it at home is certainly avoidable. I highly recommend abstaining for a while until things get under control. I do have some alternatives to suggest though . I wouldn't recommend them as worship songs in church, but as music to listen to in private, they can serve as a great battering ram against the gates of hell. They're also fun  .

I'm probably a black sheep as I listen to what I term "fringe" CCM- heavy enough to scare some people, and yet still written by Christian artists. I feel like maybe my black sheepishness can be of assistance here. I own music by artists like Casting Crowns, etc, but I really like metal. I enjoy both heavily, but frankly there was a time when it wouldn't take much to get me to listen to metal, but getting me to listen to the normal CCM stuff would have been nigh on impossible. If you think your daughter might give it a try, I can put together a list of suggestions along with some accompanying lyrics and youtube links. Just three samples in order of lightest to heaviest:

Fire in my Eyes by Fireflight. Let's be clear, this is rock, not metal, but it's pretty awesome and I doubt a lot of people outside the church realize that this is Fireflights third (and also best) disc. There are other tracks on the disc with more overtly Christian lyrics, but this one is just insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJw34rxZHuE

Gimme Half by The Devil Wears Prada. I really like the direction their latest release went. It has a message to it if you look for it. The comments to this are pretty amusing too (although a few are crude).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR9szLl3gr8

Overkill Exposure by Living Sacrifice. Not the most overly Christian track on the disc, but it can peel paint.  Bruce Fitzhugh's screams of "guard my heart, guard my will" are also pretty freaking awesome. The guys from LS are so talented, I've even heard of some athiests who listen and just ignore the God part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEHkc5Ez3Vs

Hopefully this post has been helpful. If you've got any questions or anything please don't hesitate to send me a an email or a PM. Nobody should be afraid of these spirits. They are so weak when compared to The Lord Most High. They don't go away when they aren't dealt with though, and your daughter needs to get out... NOW


Edit: Bonus Fireflight. Anyone reading this should just go get "For Those Who Wait" right now. You won't be disappointed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDN4hA1sDk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPOaaEV8z3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnE5Ki5WdBk

[trader_cheri]

Hey Chris, thanks for your heart felt response and advice.

I have an update on Jenny that should make you feel better.  Jenny is no longer on the internet.  She is using my mp3 player and I have downloaded a lot of very nice christian songs for her.  She also has a few pop songs that are clean and fun.  She seems to be enjoying them.   I will check out your recommendations too.  Thanks.

I bought 20 christian novels that are aimed at kids her age.  She is reading one right now.  She loves to read.  Her vampire loving friend spent the night Friday and I talked to her about some of this stuff.  She seemed interested in what I had to say and was pleasant.  She started going to church and youth group with her mom.  I told her about our visitor and how a door was opened etc.  Jenny had not shared that with Chelsea.  We also went to see "The Clash of the Titans."  I told them it was ok to see it as long as they got my disclaimer.  I used that as an opportunity to explain the plans of the enemy and some of the stuff that he did a long time ago.  We have discussed Nephilim here on this forum many times.

I also take Jenny to therapy.  She was opposed to it until she read a couple books by Dr. Amen.  She is learning about brain function and is taking supplements, amino acids and omega 3 oil.  Her attitude did a 180 and she is becoming quite pleasant to be around.

Jenny is also interested in a new horse I am training for a friend.  We have the option of keeping him.  He is a beautiful arab/quarter horse.  Jenny lost her Arab a year ago and never got over the unexpected loss of her best friend in the whole world.  She already has a horse, but this new horse melted her heart.  Suddenly she is interested in my training activities.  I am using every chance I get to explain why I am doing certain things to the horses.  I have to customize what I do with each horse because of their past experiences.  Jenny understands why I prefer to "ask" a horse to do something over telling them.  She understands if the horse trusts me to be their leader that we won't have a spooky horse. 

When I was praying for Jenny about three weeks ago, I told him I gave up and he had to take control.  Right after that, things started popping.  I am amazed at how gracious and generous our Father is.

Jenny and her Arab "Star"


New horse "Turbo"

[ServantStrike]

Whew, that's a relief. Here I was thinking your family was still under direct attack!

God really is gracious. I think half of the problem sometimes is we're in His way when he just wants us to get out of the way and let Him work. Your surrender is a good reminder of that. In fact I'll remember that the next time I refuse to let go of something  .

As for the horse, I know nothing about them, but that is a beautiful horse.

I'm still going to pray for you and your family though  .

[trader_cheri]

Thank you Chris.  I was praying for you tonight while doing chores. 

[summer]

That  great  your  daught   is  doing  better.