Islamic Antichrist?

[michael]

no,i just joined yesterday....i am just rying to read all of the posts to make sure that i fit in...so far, i think i fit just fine....most of the things i read are pretty well in line with my beliefs.....i'm kinda' on the backside of 50 and my fingers just won't hold out to do much typing at one time,so i'll have to keep my comments short....some of these posts indicate we have some very proficent secretaries on this forum.....they can type out "gone with the wind" in 2 hours....i can't even think that fast

[trader_cheri]

  Rome has killed at least 50 million people.

[Whrose]

Michael, you are so right.

Have you watched the video I mentioned?

Has anyone watched it?

Sorry Cheri..I am U-tube impaired  

But I am going to definitely put this on my list of go gets and examine this more closely.
Really appreciate your insights!

[trader_cheri]

Whrose, it isn't on youtube. It has to be ordered at this time because it just came out.  I ordered mine and got it in three days.  My family has gone nuts over it.  I can't wait for someone here to watch it so we can have a love fest over it together.

[Whrose]

 Rome has killed at least 50 million people.

Oh the list is long of her abominations!

Yet I am challenging myself to examine her role in the Revelation 13 beasts by also looking at the OT prophecies.

Please understand I am not excusing the RCC and Rome at all here.

LOL Stephen....."gone with the wind" has me smiling at how appropriate this analogy may be!

Whrose, it isn't on youtube. It has to be ordered at this time because it just came out.  I ordered mine and got it in three days.  My family has gone nuts over it.  I can't wait for someone here to watch it so we can have a love fest over it together.

LOL Cheri....love Chris Pinto and will make the effort!

[michael]

okay, i am familiar with that and i am a huge fan of chuck missler,,,,as a matter of fact,as soon as i finish this, i am going to bed and listen to him.....remember, the roman empire had 2 LEGS in nebbachanezzars dream.....the one leg represents the western part (rome) and then constantine moved it to byzantium(now istanbul) and named it constantinople....those legs extend all the way to the feet with the 5 toes on each foot,or the final chapter of the empire or 7th world empire....the final manifestation will be the NWO that is forming now(see club of rome agenda)and will be in 2 parts just like the dream....i think this is to be repeated...notice now, i said i think that going to happen....instead of istanbul, i am thinking that the rebuilt babylon is going to come into prominence before very long....you use google earth and look at it, right where you sit,built on most of the original foundations.....may not work out that way,but i do not think that you can visualize "rome" as just being europe and leave out the eastern leg....i think it includes what we would consider the ottoman empire,too.....i don't have a clue as to how this will be arranged,but the dream and the interpetation is pretty clear.....it would appear that the ruling body starts in rome with maybe the un moving there before long and then when antichrist sets up his kingdome,he moves it to babylon....there are many veiws on this,so i guess only time will tell who is correct....one thing about studying prophecy, you really can't let yourself get too dogmatic about what you think....i try to be flexible and listen to other ideas.....i tend to learn more that way....see you tomorrow.bedtime....this is a neat board....m
Still looking for the posted study I did awhile back on the Assyrian Church. There has been so much discussed here under various topic headers. My goodness!

Here is one that had an interesting related discussion.
http://www.worldofprophec...dex.php/topic,1600.0.html

No argument here about the murder of the saints by the RCC. But she is not IMO primed to deliver the murderous rampage in the GT.

Ok...here is something that got me thinking said by Joseph Farrah during his presented study during the Strategic Conference hosted by Missler. I am not saying I agree with this but certainly am chewing on it.

The 4th kingdom described by Daniel was not Rome. His scriptural study is something that one must listen to as I am poor to explain it at this time. One of the reasons he says this is because Rome never conquered Babylon who is the head of the beast in which the vision  originates and is fulfilled. Take a moment to consider that fact. It really is a challenging concept and quite upsetting to the prevailing understanding of Roman empire in the endtimes. He thinks that 4th beast describes Islam, in particular the historical rise of the Ottoman kingdom and that this kingdom will once again rise in a coalition of nations united by Islam in endtimes led by the dragon.

Again I am poor to explain this all. I have 2 pages of scripture that I am still engaged to this study to understand his perspective. I plan on getting the Joel Richardson Book
"The Islamic Antichrist" as recommended by Farrah as a good book that describes this viewpoint.


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[Whrose]

Hi Michael and Welcome to WOP!  I am very much enjoying reading your thoughts here!  I did not realize that the remnant of the Assyrians were Catholic!  I Do believe the Vatican/RCC holds a Significant Role in the End Times to be sure and Completely agree with you on the Mystery Babylon connections you described 

I too find it quite interesting to examine the Assyrian Church. Man this is one crazy doctrine!

Nestorianism is the Christian doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, or Logos, rather than as a unified person. This doctrine is identified with Nestorius (c. 386–c. 451), Patriarch of Constantinople. This view of Christ was condemned at the Council of Ephesus in 431, and the conflict over this view led to the Nestorian schism, separating the Assyrian Church of the East from the Byzantine Church.

The Assyrian Church of the East refused to denounce Nestorius' doctrine as heretical, and it has continued to be called "Nestorian" in the West, to distinguish it from other ancient Eastern churches. However, the Church of the East does not regard its doctrine as truly Nestorian, but rather teaches the view of Babai the Great, that Christ has two qnome (essences) which are unmingled and eternally united in one parsopa (personality). According to some interpretations, the origin of this confusion is mostly historical and linguistic: for example, the Greeks had two words for 'person', which translated poorly into Syriac, and the meanings of these terms were not even quite settled during Nestorius' lifetime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

Ugggh 

Am going to do a search in my home study notes on this...oh dear....they are always a mess!
LOL

[Eternal]

 

Hello Michael and Krill. Welcome to WoP! I've enjoyed reading both of your posts. Like you Michael, I am too poor to explain all that goes through my mind. Can't even begin to try some days.

I did read Joel Richardson's book and was intrigued. It opened up my mind in ways like never before.

Which of course.. made me go look up verses in Daniel this morning... The bolded portions below stood out in a new way this day. The kingdom will be divided... interesting in light of what is being spoken of in this thread. It will have the strength of Rome no doubt, but shall not cleave together. Whether that includes aliens in the mix...

I believe that Babylon is a literal interpretation and will be rebuilt. And that America.. will no longer be the super power as the times come to pass.






Dan 2:41       And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.    

Dan 2:42       And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.    

Dan 2:43       And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.    

Dan 2:44        And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed:  and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.    

Dan 2:45       Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.   
 

[Mike 99]

no,i just joined yesterday....i am just rying to read all of the posts to make sure that i fit in...so far, i think i fit just fine....most of the things i read are pretty well in line with my beliefs.....i'm kinda' on the backside of 50 and my fingers just won't hold out to do much typing at one time,so i'll have to keep my comments short....some of these posts indicate we have some very proficent secretaries on this forum.....they can type out "gone with the wind" in 2 hours....i can't even think that fast

I'm with you there

   Michael to WoP

Great name by the way 

[michael]

interesting that you bring up aliens,or maybe fallen angels ,much like "as were in the days of noah"[.........the books of jasher and enoch are pretty plain as to what the days of noah were like and when you look at all the genetic alterations going on today,you really have to consider this comparison to that time and today....i ought not to tell you this but i actually believe there are hybrids walking the earth right now....i really do think that UFO abductees, for the most part, are telling the truth....call me crazy,but there is too much evidence to not consider this
as far as babylon being rebuilt,it already has been and work is continuing on it....false religion started in babel and i don't think there is any doubt that it will end there.....i actually read an editorial in the newspaper this morning that glorifing the benefits of pantheism....it is all out in the open now

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Hello Michael and Krill. Welcome to WoP! I've enjoyed reading both of your posts. Like you Michael, I am too poor to explain all that goes through my mind. Can't even begin to try some days.

I did read Joel Richardson's book and was intrigued. It opened up my mind in ways like never before.

Which of course.. made me go look up verses in Daniel this morning... The bolded portions below stood out in a new way this day. The kingdom will be divided... interesting in light of what is being spoken of in this thread. It will have the strength of Rome no doubt, but shall not cleave together. Whether that includes aliens in the mix...


I believe that Babylon is a literal interpretation and will be rebuilt. And that America.. will no longer be the super power as the times come to pass.

Dan 2:41       And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.    

Dan 2:42       And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.    

Dan 2:43       And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.    

Dan 2:44        And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed:  and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.    

Dan 2:45       Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.   

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 I quoted Eternals text to separate and define it. (This can be done at the beginning of your post as well in the ways I described)
Whrose

[Eternal]

Hey Michael,

I've read parts of the book of Jasher and the complete book/s of Enoch, and agree completely that the very thing that was happening as in the days of Noah.. which is the sign that Jesus spoke of to the Jews as being the sign of the end.. is again, and has been happening here, now.

If you poke around in here (this board), you will find references and discussions about most any subject that you could want. Try the search feature Brother.. you will like it, I'm sure.


Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth [were of] iron, and his nails [of] brass; [which] devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

And when I looked at this again.. isn't iron.. Rome, and brass.. the Medo/Persia empire? Looks like they both have their part in the end. Strength and fury. 

Yep, I wouldn't doubt hybrids walking the earth.. at this point.. I don't doubt much.

Lately though, I have immersed myself in the gospels. Reading the words of Jesus anew. When you get hungry enough, any direction you take off in the Bible will fill you with awe and wonder. Isn't it amazing?

[Eternal]

Okay.. someone make it clear what the empires and precious metals are again please? I think I got confused and am too rushed to try and look it up. Er, maybe lazy is the better word?

[Whrose]

Interesting.

Something else popped into my mind while reading this. Remember king Abbadon of the underworld is released from the pit in Rev 9. Is it a bit Islamic interesting that his minions come out in the Euphrates and the war that follows this release!

Michael, while reading your posts I get a bit upside down when the quote of another follows your response unaccented.

There are good tips on how to use the format in http://www.worldofprophec.../index.php/board,6.0.html

For instance, if you want to quote a post in your response, you may hit the *** Quote*** highlighted option present in the posts upper right corner, and this will open a response box with the quote already inside it! Then you can type your reply and it will be separated and defined from the quote.

If you want to copy part of a post you can do this several ways. I find it easiest to
highlight the part, copy it then paste in it to your post.
Then to accent it you can

type.......left square bracket( [ )
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before the text you are quoting. then at the end of the text...
              left square bracket
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With no spaces between them.

Does that make sense? Another easier way is to copy and paste the text you are using into your post. When you have in there where you want it, highlight it, then press the quote box icon (2nd from the right bottom of verbs above the smilies) and this will auto highlight the text you wanted.

LOL...I came here baring knowing how to spell my last name and learned so much since! They even made me a mod  after they trained my html skills(which was challenging LOL)
Hope this helps! I changed your last post to Eternal to separate and define it to show you the difference. Hope this helps 

[Whrose]

Okay.. someone make it clear what the empires and precious metals are again please? I think I got confused and am too rushed to try and look it up. Er, maybe lazy is the better word?

from memory.....
head of Gold...............Babylon
Chest/arms of silver............Medi Persia
girth of bronze...........Greek
legs of iron..................Rome (traditional view) Ottoman Turkish Empire (Islamic view)
toes mixed with iron and miry clay...Revivied roman empire (traditional view) Islamic empire or revived ottoman empire, islamic view) nephillum theory fits here as well)

I spoke about the revived roman empire not having the military might to carry out the devastating murder during the last 3 1/2 yrs. Of course the EU may fit the ability as their military builds in strength and no doubt will have their military force involved in the great wars during this time. However I still think the Islamic union (if there is going to be one)
are quite trained and poised to kill jews and christians as described in Revelation. There is a new generation that has grown up in their satanic inspired hate.


Also.....the nephillum theory also fits better into the Islamic beast and king as their origin is where? Yep....Iraq and the middle east.

Today the conflict between the majority shia and minority sunni have Iraq in political conflict.
For me it is no leap to see a coup coming into this county. But wait...what would unite Islam into a world power? They control the oil...are developing their own currency and can hold the world in hostage to their demands because of their black gold and great wealth. They can easily ally and pay other nations do join in their military might. And the UN...well it is plain to see where their sympathies lay.
hmmmm

[Whrose]

Eternal

Sis...since you have Joel's book. Does he define the 4th beast (Daniel 7)

[Eternal]

Yes.. I was just looking and trying to find a picture of Daniel's image. Got brass confused with silver. 

Oh my.. where do you want me to start?

[Eternal]

A quick scan.. the Mahdi.

And since I have now crossed the 6..6..6 line, it just gave me the willies.

Let me keep looking and write something else.. quick.

 

[Whrose]

A quick scan.. the Mahdi.

And since I have now crossed the 6..6..6 line, it just gave me the willies.

Let me keep looking and write something else.. quick.

 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eternal]

The author goes through scriptures references very thoroughly.
 
Revelation 13:4.. the Beast
Daniel 9:27.. the Desolator
Matthew 24:15...the abomination that causes desolation
2 Thessalonians 2... the man of sin, the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction
Daniel 7:8.. the little horn
Micah 5:5, Isaiah 10:5, 14:25.. the Assyrian
Isaiah 14.. the oppressor.. the king of Babylon
Ezekiel 38:1 and Revelation 20:7.. the mysterious Gog.

Then, he goes on to explain how the Mahdi will operate.. what is expected of him.

Saying that from Islamic traditions and Muslim scholars, the Mahdi, like the AC, is also prophesied to be a political and military world leader unparalleled by any other throughout world history.

The Mahdi is said to "fight against the forces of evil, lead a world revolution and set up a new world order based on justice, righteousness and virtue."

 
I'm double checking behind myself.. doesn't mean I will not make a typo's.
Bear with me please..

[michael]

ya'll( i'm from alabama) know something?...i have been chasing this subject for 40 years....40 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the nails of brass in daniel 7;19 statement just hit me right between the eyes...all these years i have been neglecting that verse...anybody else ever do that?...read something and not read it?.....why that never has caught my eye,i have not a clue....10 toes=10 nails....brass=greece(alexander and hellenism)hellenism=paganism...paganism=earth worship,ophra winfrey,new age....do ya'll think this adds up to anything