Jesus was Big, Tough, Ugly and Scary Looking

[SoftTouch]

Um, Johnny, scroll back up and re-read your last post.  I'm afraid I had to 'modify' it and explained why in it.  Thanks

And perhaps we should get back on topic too

[thunderbyrd]

always loved that straight-into-the amp, fat, skronky gibson tone. i ain't sure that's a 335, tho, dude, i think it's either a 345 or a 355. i think i saw a vari-tone. but not a lot of difference, really.

one of my son's buddies left a epiphone les paul here at my house, i might get it out and bang on it some tonight.

[SoftTouch]

OK, if y'all wanna chat about guitars and smilies that's great, but can ya make a new thread please?

[thunderbyrd]

 

[Sam]

Why expend so much time, energy, and bandwidth to speculate on such as this? Hang in there and we get to see Him face to face.

[SoftTouch]

Why expend so much time, energy, and bandwidth to speculate on such as this? Hang in there and we get to see Him face to face.

Good Point Bro  

[johnnythelongshoreman]

First off.  The reason I started the thread is because I want to know.  I don't care how important it is.  I want to know what Jesus looked like and I want to know it really bad.   I got some very good input and clues from the folks on this thread and some of them really thought the thread was worth the bandwidth, time and energy.  And I think so too.

It would be a really be a good idea to delete the all the posts that went off topic.

You have the power to do so softtouch.  I think you should.

And I would love to see more of you scholars type in even more input.
Pete's was great.  And Birdman had some killer info here as well.

Gotcha on the vid links.

Johnny
PS - I sure know a lot of x-tians who are into Rush. (strange)

[Caretaker]

Johnny
PS - I sure know a lot of x-tians who are into Rush. (strange)

Hi Johnny;

The use of the term "x-tians" is fairly repugnant to a Believer as it is the common term used by atheists when referencing followers of Christ, and especially when they go in with the intent to yank a few xtian chains.

The term is also a denigration of Christ by rendering Him to an "x".

It does not take much longer to type Christian and this has been a common term for the Brethren since Antioch.

First and foremost we expect those who enter here to respect the Lord Jesus Christ.

Second we expect the guests in our home to respect our Brothers and Sisters in Christ. This is our family and I am sure you understand how you would want your family to be treated in your own home. With respect, honor, integrity, and with decency in communication and conduct.

Glad you are with us Johnny and we look forward to fellowship and sharing.



   xtian    
   
abbreviated form of Christian, often used as a derogatory term by Satanists, militant Atheists, etc. It is derived from the use of X as an abbreviation for Christ, as in Xmas. Strictly speaking, this rule dictates it be spelled "xian," but it is spelled "xtian" to avoid confusion with the city of Xian,China.

[Sam]

  I want to know what Jesus looked like and I want to know it really bad. 

We will know it when we all stand before the Great White Throne to be judged. Even the damned will get to see His face once. Until then you can only speculate.

I wouldn't put much faith into anything else, especially the Pontius Pilate reference. Gotta remember what side of the fence he was on.

[johnnythelongshoreman]

The satan worshipers even stole x from us?  The letter x was first invented to denote the cross.  x was used as a single symbol to represent the cross of Christ.  And it remains so to this day.  Thus the use of the word x-mas or xmas.

It was not until much later that x was adopted as a phonetic letter and official member of the alphabet.  As far as atheists using the term "x-tian"?  I never have heard of that.  I think that x-tain is a fine term, fully respectful of Jesus.  But, if it bothers you guys, then I'll try to refrain. 

And to accuse me of disrespecting Jesus?  I must take great objection to that.  And where on this thread have I disrespected any of you or spoken unkindly?

If you are talking about me telling softtouch that she should delete the posts that went off subject.  I think it should be done for the benefit of the thread.  I wasn't smarting off.  I truly want to see it done.

Johnny

[LionsforJESUS]

“Love one another with brotherly affection [as members of one family], giving precedence and showing honor to one another.”- Romans 12:10

  Let us get back to perspective amongst all the bickering of churchianity over really nothing but mere words expressed with joy in fellowship because we all have been created in uniqueness. We should never (quick to correct) over little things. This is beneath us because we share the GRACE of Christ in our hearts together We must let everyone express themselves freely unless it truly is ungodly from a multitude of counselors  WE are family hey hey hey hey yeaaaaaawww LOL

Luke 12: 32Do not be seized with alarm and struck with fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom!

Anyway LOL to give a little pinion of Christ, To myself in study I picture Him as just an average poor looking rabbi in well ta do rabboni clothing. He looked like a rabbi who was a carpenter. HE was not one to be desired as Isaiah 53 explains.

   2For [the Servant of God] grew up before Him like a tender plant, and like a root out of dry ground; He has no form or comeliness [royal, kingly pomp], that we should look at Him, and no beauty that we should desire Him.

    3He was despised and rejected and forsaken by men, a Man of sorrows and pains, and acquainted with grief and sickness; and like One from Whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we did not appreciate His worth or have any esteem for Him.

    4Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].((see the rest in context when you study)

I would say since HE was from the line of DAVID and David was a Ruddy fellow, possibly with freckles and red hair as to what ruddy means in Aramaic (from me Aramaic translation). David was not a good looking guy either according to some of our sound teachers.
I even red that JESUS had a big nose,  a hunchback, or whatever related physical undesirable
thing that made Him not to be desired.

And I Know a guy name Jesus' (hey soose) who owns a HD who loves the LORD and he looks big and mean LOL :PJohnny, I think you seen that guy before riding around on his hog LOL

I also will mention that some Christian's for a time were crucified on (X) crosses upside down, right side up, on the left side, right side whatever seem okay to the Romans Soldiers. These were true x-tians who loved JESUS. The X and the P were also of this and was a sign to some who met in the catacombs before the rcc stole it for their superstitions. At one time some shorten christian to x-tian or other fishy or thorny or whatever just keep safe in persecution and some do it now in certain countries as via VOM. But all in all since our Free speech hasn't been taken yet we should be BOLD when we speak of Christ because HE is so irresistible, how can we not want to shout HIS name upon the roof tops. Oh HIS grace is so satisfying come all come do not miss out on the grace GOD is giving now.

Thunderbyrd, I like a 335 with a bigsby on it with trembucks.
And ST I still like Rush and their creative progressions. I consider this a safe band because really there is no immoral input in their music and I like their Chops. But I agree it is better to listen to bands that glorify GOD like Narnia, DivineFire, Audiovision Sweden, Majestic Vanguard, Fires of Babylon, Triumph ( Rick Emmet), 

These are more Psalm 150 but they glorify GOD and actually share sound doctrines in the process, well most of them. But that is fo rthe listener to decide hehehe

Love you all

Letting GOD be the irresistible GOD

RW

[thunderbyrd]

i'm down with the "Don't use X" business. His name is Christ, the world doesn't want to see His name cause there's power in the Name of Jesus Christ. So use His name, not x.

[Caretaker]

The satan worshipers even stole x from us?  The letter x was first invented to denote the cross.  x was used as a single symbol to represent the cross of Christ.  And it remains so to this day.  Thus the use of the word x-mas or xmas.

It was not until much later that x was adopted as a phonetic letter and official member of the alphabet.  As far as atheists using the term "x-tian"?  I never have heard of that.  I think that x-tain is a fine term, fully respectful of Jesus.  But, if it bothers you guys, then I'll try to refrain. 

And to accuse me of disrespecting Jesus?  I must take great objection to that.  And where on this thread have I disrespected any of you or spoken unkindly?

If you are talking about me telling softtouch that she should delete the posts that went off subject.  I think it should be done for the benefit of the thread.  I wasn't smarting off.  I truly want to see it done.

Johnny

Hi Johnny;

Xian, is a most common term used for Christians on atheist sites, and is coupled with mocking and denigration. It is so often used by those who have animosity towards God and are repelled by the Lord Jesus Christ, and cannot/will not bring themselves to write the name of Christ. I walked among them when they were flooding a Christian site with adversaries.

I would encourage you to know that we will have no trouble recognizing the Lord Jesus by His majesty, and the Nail Scarred Hands, and the wounds which He took for each of us.

I would encourage you to see how Jesus would have walked, have talked, and how He always showed love, compassion, consideration for those who gathered/followed Him. In representing Christ we will seek to honor and respect our Brethren.



 

[Pete]

When I was first born, my Dad said:  "Maybe it will fetch ducks.  I hope it isn't guy shy."

Johnny

 

Now that line was worth the price of admission!!  I was laughing through most of the rest of the thread.  Sorry I missed it as it was going up.

FYI: Some of you guys are a little punchy and need to take a deep breath! 

I cleared up the whole 'X' thing on another thread...  Let me find and copy....  Okay, here in the 'Guitars and Smilies' thread:

And now, a confession to make:  You'll never see me use an 'X' publicly, but I hand write my sermon notes and scribble out in shorthand most of my material...  I've used 'X' and 'X-ian' in my notes for years and never given it a second thought.  I know EXACTLY what it means and I have no problem shorthanding those or many other common words/phrases that I use in a sermon delivery.  I just recognize that some people prefer not to see that as they see something different than what I mean, therefore I do not use it in public.

In Johnny's defense not only is 'X' historically accurate as shorthand, it is the first letter of the name 'Christ' in Greek... so, the original Greek writers wrote 'Xristos' every time 'Christ' appears in the NT...  'X' is the Greek letter 'Chi' and therefore correct.  To be REALLY technical, His Greek initials are 'I. X.'

'X' works and is clearly defensible from the earliest manuscripts.

Your Strong's Concordance ought to clear it up.

Hope that helps,

Peace,

Pete

Yes, maybe the atheists and satanists have tried to redefine the 'X', but they can't do it unless we let them!  Culture has, in recent years, taken previously wholesome words and demoted or reversed their meanings...  'Gay' and 'bomb' are two quick examples that come to mind.  The words MEAN: happy and Hiroshima, respectively, not the connotations used on Entertainment Tonight.  I, for one, refuse to buckle to redefining historically correct/accurate words!  Makes me crazy!       

Rant over.


As to what Jesus looked like...  We can't know on this side of Heaven, but the mental exercise of considering it is instructive as it helps us consider Scripture and His character/natures.

Peace,

Pete

[Caretaker]

The Chi Rho is one of the earliest christograms used by Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two letters in the Greek spelling of the word Christ ( Greek : "Χριστός" ), chi = ch and rho = r, in such a way to produce the monogram ☧. The Chi-Rho symbol was also used by pagan Greek scribes to mark, in the margin, a particularly valuable or relevant passage; the combined letters Chi and Rho standing for chrēston, meaning "good."[1]

Although not technically a cross, the Chi Rho invokes the crucifixion of Jesus as well as symbolizing his status as the Christ. There is early evidence of the Chi Rho symbol on Christian Rings of the third century (200's).

This was also used as a form of Constantine's symbol emblazoned on the shields of his men.

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Technically we could just use the symbol ☧, which would stand for Christ Savior.

As you say you don't do this publicly, as it is not accepted while being technically correct.

And now, a confession to make:  You'll never see me use an 'X' publicly, but I hand write my sermon notes and scribble out in shorthand most of my material...  I've used 'X' and 'X-ian' in my notes for years and never given it a second thought.  I know EXACTLY what it means and I have no problem shorthanding those or many other common words/phrases that I use in a sermon delivery.  I just recognize that some people prefer not to see that as they see something different than what I mean, therefore I do not use it in public.

In Johnny's defense not only is 'X' historically accurate as shorthand, it is the first letter of the name 'Christ' in Greek... so, the original Greek writers wrote 'Xristos' every time 'Christ' appears in the NT...  'X' is the Greek letter 'Chi' and therefore correct.  To be REALLY technical, His Greek initials are 'I. X.'

'X' works and is clearly defensible from the earliest manuscripts.

Your Strong's Concordance ought to clear it up.

Hope that helps,

Peace,

Pete

While being technically correct, the intentional usage of xtian in public is often as a form of derision, as in "xtian fundy" to revile and denigrate those who hold a fundamental faith in Jesus Christ, by the atheist and anti-Christian segment.

In adherence to the public usage, what is the desire of heart behind its proponent?

Is the desire to adhere to the historical obscure usage, or is there an underlying spirit of rebellion with a desire to shock and throw a dig at the listener/reader?

Knowing that the usage of "xtian" makes a large portion of the Brethren uncomfortable, who honor and glorify Christ, what is the underlying purpose in the person's desire to use this term?

[Chipper]

I so agree with you Caretaker....being Technically correct does not mean you can go ahead and "do it....say it... or whatever it..... We read in 1 Corinthians chapter 10 starting at verse 24: and I quote:

" Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.(25) Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions, for your conscience sake. (26) For the earth is the Lord's and everything in it. (27)
If one of the unbelievers invites you, and you wish to go, eat anything that is set before you, without asking questions for your conscience sake. (28) But if anyone should say to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols..." do not eat it for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience sake.(29) I mean, not your own conscience but the other man's:

Paul is explaining here that it's O.K. for you to do it but you don't do it for the other person's sake.....that's Biblical....So. It's not a matter of whether you are right or not, it's a matter of caring for what the other person thinks and feels and learns from your example.

And seeing we have lurkers here, and lots of them we MUST set a good Biblical example, even if we according to the Bible are not doing anything wrong with it, we constrain ourselves for the sake of babes in Christ.

[Sam]

Never mind..........not important.

[SoftTouch]

I so agree with you Caretaker....being Technically correct does not mean you can go ahead and "do it....say it... or whatever it..... We read in 1 Corinthians chapter 10 starting at verse 24: and I quote:

" Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.(25) Eat anything that is sold in the meat market, without asking questions, for your conscience sake. (26) For the earth is the Lord's and everything in it. (27)
If one of the unbelievers invites you, and you wish to go, eat anything that is set before you, without asking questions for your conscience sake. (28) But if anyone should say to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols..." do not eat it for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience sake.(29) I mean, not your own conscience but the other man's:

Paul is explaining here that it's O.K. for you to do it but you don't do it for the other person's sake.....that's Biblical....So. It's not a matter of whether you are right or not, it's a matter of caring for what the other person thinks and feels and learns from your example.

And seeing we have lurkers here, and lots of them we MUST set a good Biblical example, even if we according to the Bible are not doing anything wrong with it, we constrain ourselves for the sake of babes in Christ.

  and Bro Drew and Sis Chipper - Well Said! 

[trader_cheri]

I took this from an earlier post of mine:

Does anyone remember the dream I posted a while back?  I was shown satan and Jesus.  I don't remember their faces, but I remember their essence.  I saw the humble version of Christ from Isaiah and satan was next to him and he was absolutely splendid and glittery.  I couldn't take my eyes off him.

This wasn't just a regular dream.  I was sleeping and everything was pitch black.  I heard myself say, "I would know Jesus anywhere."  The next thing I knew I was with the Holy Spirit or an angel by my left side and in front of me were two beings.  The one on the left was a very humble beggar type man and the one on the right was the most beautiful being I had ever seen.  His clothes were bejeweled and glittering beyond description.  The clothes of the beggar were close to being repulsive.  I had the same reaction to him like the judges who were looking down their noses at Susan Boyle.  When the person to my left saw that I was confused at what I was looking at, he seemed pleased with himself that he had humbled me.  End of dream.

When I woke up all I could think about was the verse in Isaiah about how Jesus was afflicted and the world esteemed him not.  That is the version of Jesus that was presented to me.

I don't remember what their faces looked like, that was wiped from my memory.  I do believe Jesus is just an average man, nothing spectacular about him, but that is the essence of Christ.  He is a humble man and wants us to love him from the inside out.

Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.

Thank God!!

[2012]

     My GOD and LORD JESUS, i think HE looked like GOD in the flesh only "if" you could at the time see HIM having your eyes opened spiritually.   i agree HE looked like a man and lived like a man of jewish decent.
    however to me knowing HE is the CHRIST i would have loved to have been able to have hugged JESUS CHRIST
,,,  to have looked into HIS eyes ,, how precious HE is .....HE IS GOD our CREATOR ,,,,, MIGHTY GOD !!!
   the ONE who alone formed THE EARTH BY HIS GREAT POWER !!!!   my KING ...

      i dont belive JESUS was in anyway ugly ,, HE just didnt dress to impress , GOD is HIS FATHER  and mary HIS mother  .. so i think JESUS looked like mary AND GOD THE FATHER  , and since nobody has seen GOD in HIS fullness it isnt possable to picture HIM.

 BIG  . YES he is bigger then all creation

 touugh . yes he was and is and always will be .

 scary looking . yes for those who have rejected HIS LOVE AND FORGIVNESS ..

  ugly . i would never use this word to decribe my SAVIOR ..

       satan is a angel of light and can dazzel the human eyes but in himself has not the GLORY OF GOD ..

       JESUS CHRIST IS IN HIS full GLORY and will return in not only HIS OWN GLORY , but also HIS FATHERS ,
            thats like double GLORY ..
   
         the GLORY OF JESUS CHRIST WILL MAKE satan LOOK LIKE A HELPLESS INSECT ..

         satan is a beautiful creature , but in no way satan or any other created thing will be even close to GODS GLORY  ... all things in GODS presence will look like dust compared to HIS GREATNESS AND BEAUTY AND POWER
 AND WISDOM AND GLORY !........
      in the presence of JESUS  we will all fall down on our faces.

 

  1Jo 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 


 1Jo 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 


 1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 


 1Jo 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.