What is the New Apostolic Church?

[SoftTouch]

[Whrose]

Have been thinking about Hamon and the NAC.

Although they certainly follow in the image of the false prophet described in
Revelation 13 :11-18, at this time I do not think it fits the description the beast from the earth but certainly is a part of its body. (IMO)

Revelation 13: 11-18

13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This beast has great authority (given to it by the beast from the sea) as to cause
ALL to be marked with the number of the beast 666.
Its characteristics:
1)  2 horns like a lamb= religious figure that has the image of a Christian
2)  exercises ALL authority of the first beast= relgious power supported by world
     power
3)  power to make the people of the earth to worship it
4)  works great signs= fire coming down from heaven to earth in the sight of men
5)  uses these great signs to deceive the people
6)  cause the people to make an image of the beast from the sea( which was
     wounded by the sword [war?] and yet survived and lived from this wound
7)  gives breath to the wounded beast who lived TO SPEAK
8   cause ALL who would not worship the image (it made of the first beast)
     to be SLAIN.
9)  causes ALL to be marked on the right hand or forehead with 666 in order
     to buy or sell (survive)

This beast from the earth is a powerful beast who has global religious authority and is does the biddance of the first beast in whom it gets its power!

Thoughts?

[SoftTouch]

Sounds like a good discussion for another thread Sis   Let's keep this one on the N.A.R. (Latter Rain etc.) and Exposing their Apostacies and we can discuss the Prophecy part in a different thread.  If you'll start it, I'll put a link to it here

[SoftTouch]

As you may know, F.P. believes the final seven years may have begun Jan. 1, 2007, which began the strengthening of the Barcelona Process through the European Neighborhood Policy, which is a seven year agreement with a review period in 2010.  

No, I didn't realize that   I guess I haven't had time to do much reading over there.  But I can't say I'm in agreement that the above mentioned Barcelona Process being the 'Covnant with the many' of Daniel...  Yet I can't say I know much about the B.P. either.  Unless it has a Direct effect on Israel and the ability (or permission) for them to rebuild the Temple and re-institute the daily sacrifices... Then I might think it possible.

[SoftTouch]

Just read Holly's Commentary:

A commentary was made after this posting by Holly Pivec at Fulfilled Prophecy, link http://www.fulfilledproph...er-bad-guy-of-bible-prop/ .

Very Good!

[SoftTouch]

Sis Kathy - Thank you for that Info on Solana, the A.O.C., Recommendation 666 and the Barcelona Process!  I Split it out and moved it here:

This topic has been moved to The Original Eastwood's World of Prophecy Forum.

http://www.worldofprophecy.com/smf/index.php?topic=4601.0

[Whrose]

  Kathi,

You have shared some great sites and information for us all.

My loving thanks to you.

[SoftTouch]

Y'all might also want to look through this thread:  Signs & Wonders and False Teaching of the Charismatic Movement(s) as there appears to be a connection between this N.A.R. and the others listed in the above blue link.

[chatty-kathi]

Here is a good article from John MacArthur called, "Are Experiences a Valid Source of Truth?"  The link is http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=5159 .

The article is based on his upcoming book in 2009 called Charismatic Chaos.  It will be an update to his 1977 book, The Charismatics.

[Caretaker]

Here is a good article from John MacArthur called, "Are Experiences a Valid Source of Truth?"  The link is http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=5159 .

The article is based on his upcoming book in 2009 called Charismatic Chaos.  It will be an update to his 1977 book, The Charismatics.

God bless you Sis;

A truly powerful read, and strikes right at the heart of the matter:

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My experience and your experience is not the test or proof of Biblical truth, it is the reverse--Biblical truth must validate or invalidate any experience. Doctrinally, it is almost impossible to define the Charismatic movement. It almost resists theology. It resists categorization because it has such a wide and growing spectrum of viewpoints. If they don't rightly divide the Word of God they are not going to come to a proper Systematic Theology. If they determine what is true because of their own experiences then there is no limit to the theology; it will take whatever form experience takes. And so what you have is a very amorphous kind of volatile changing systems of beliefs that ebbs and flows and rises and falls and refuses to find any structure.

The Charismatic movement is achieving, by the way, what the liberal Ecumenical movement tried for years to achieve, and that is a unity that is indifferent to doctrinal truth. And so I say there is intimidation as we approach this study because we are not supposed to have the right to do this, since we haven't had the experience. We are not suppose to do it because it isn't loving and it isn't gracious and it doesn't make for unity. And so, I just want you to know that I acknowledge the effort to intimidate, and I reject that. I do not believe, furthermore, that I have to have some kind of experiences in order to understand what the Bible says about them. I haven't walked on water, but I can understand what it says when it says that Jesus did.

Doctrinally, we must have structure, we must have sound doctrine. We cannot fall prey to a system that resists any doctrinal categorization. But see, once you allow experience to be the test of truth, then you can't limit doctrine to the pages of Scripture.

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It was in April 1977 that I first came to Christ, and I walked through the Pentecostal/Charismatic experience before coming solidly to the Word and coming-out of experiential deception.

Thank you for sharing, and I want to add that you are a blessing to our fellowship.

[chatty-kathi]

[kaijuu]

is this related to a so called G12 movemente ? have you heard about it , I had not time to chack all other post yet, but it seems that this is money doctrine , among ritual practisews , are mining small churches among latin america, this G12 ask the leaders and priests to get asosiated, and I read that most of the churches get twice the people , but they end closed , or the leaders turn to this strange doctrine etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G12_Vision