ROME Heads Illuminati Beast

[SoftTouch]

In looking for information on the Jesuits role in the N.W.O./Illuminati, I came across this article.  The Organizational Chart linked to below shows very clearly that Rome is the Head of this Beast

http://www.illuminati-news.com/wes072906.htm

The Illuminati Organization Structure, According to Illuminati Programmer, Svali
by Wes Penre, July 29, 2006

Svali was once a programmer for the Illuminati, where she lived a double-life. She herself has gone through trauma-based mind control since she was a newborn, which split her personality in thousands of fractions as a result. From these fractions, her programmers then built a whole new brain structure; implanting commands, false memories, amnesia and a lot of other things to create a total Illuminati mind controlled slave. Her task was then to program others in similar ways, so each and every person within the group could be assigned different tasks and accomplish them without hesitation or protest. These tasks could be anything from prostitution to brutal murder.

However, in January of 2006 she decided to do an interview with the anti New World Order radio host Greg Szymanski. Approximately six months after the interview, Svali disappeared and has not been heard from! A friend of hers said she suspect the worst. Either the Illuminati killed her or she is brought back into the cult to be 'tuned up' as they call it. It means she will be re-programmed so she can stay within the cult. Maybe time will tell what happened to her.

In the interview with Greg Szymanski, Svali explains how the Illuminati organization is structured, in general. It is of course much, much more complex than this, but she lined out the backbone of it. Therefore, for your information, I made an organization chart based on the information she gave.

Here is a direct link to a larger version of this chart:

http://www.illuminati-new...ti_organization_chart.htm


THE ILLUMINATI: INTERVIEW  WITH
EX-ILLUMINATI  PROGRAMMER

http://www.geocities.com/...visionary/svali_index.htm

This is Svali's story at the above link.  Caution:  The details of her experience growing up in an Illuminati family and eventually becoming a Trainer/Programmer for them is very disconcerting to say the least (and not for the faint of heart).

[vellarobs]

This has got to be the most detailed, interesting reads ever. Thanks for posting this. I am still reading about this satanic CUlt

[SoftTouch]

CHECK THIS OUT!!!!   I've Finally found out HOW the Jesuits are involved (or should I say the Real Head of this Conspiracy!)

I do believe I've found something Very Revelant!!!  (Actually the credit belongs to Bro. WaitQuickly, this was one of the video's he linked to in the Video/DVD thread here!)

Eric Jon Phelps wrote a book titled "Vatican Assassins" a few years back (which is now no longer in print).  It Details the Jesuit Order (also called the Society of Jesus) which was created in the 1500's by Ignatious Loyola of Spain In an effort to Reverse the Reformation that Luther started and return World Domination to Rome.

It traces the Jesuits throughout history and unveils how they were directly involved (yet in the shadows) in all the major conflicts since that time.  Somehow they even gained control over the Vatican it's self and changed the Papal power into a two fold (White Pope/Black Pope) head.  The Black Pope (The Jesuit General) being the Ultimate power of the Vatican with the White Pope being the visable puppet.  The Jesuits are also responsible for starting the "New Age Movement" through their Mystic Catholic Jesuit Teilhard Chardin.  They also started the Baverian Illuminati through Jesuit trained Adam Weishuept. 

Their goal has always been World Domination and they seek to take Jerusalem for the Vatican, demolish the dome of the rock and rebuild Solomens Temple where they will seat the Pope of their Choosing who will declare that he is god on Earth.   Remember that Pope Pious III (sp?) had declared himself and all popes in a Papal Bull to be 'god' on earth.  I don't remember the date this happened but I Think it was sometime in the 13 or 1400's.  That has Never been removed from the official Papal decrees....  Hummm.... 

Here is a Google Video of Eric Jon Phelps giving a lecture on his book "Vatican Assassins" that skims over the highlights.   It's long, but well worth watching!

http://video.google.com/v...5&q=Vatican+Assassins

You will hear things about the current state of Israel you won't like, such as the Government there being headed by Masonic Jews who are controlled by the Jesuits working to implement their plan.  But stay with it... Mr. Phelps is CLEAR that he's NOT talking about God's Beloved Jews... only those Tratiors who are involved in this Occultic/Luciferian conspiracy.  He completely debunks the notion that there is a "Jewish Conspiracy" and explains Where the so called Jewish "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" really came from (the Jesuits in France).

Remeber back in 1993... Shimon Peres (a Mason) deeded Jerusalem to the Vatican!  I don't know the status of that right now, but that would be interesting to find out.

[SoftTouch]

If you'd like to do more study on this for yourself, here is a CD Rom that you can get from the Cutting Edge Ministry on the Vatican/Jesuit Issue:  http://cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=262

Item Name:  Black Pope Book On CDROM Plus 12 Other Investigative Books Written In The Latter 1800's - VATICAN ASSASSINS BOOK was based upon these 13 books!

Price:  $19.99



Description:  VATICAN ASSASSINS Book was based upon these 13 books! The "Black Pope" was the major resource on which Vatican Assassins was based and is one of the hottest, most controversial books of the late 1800's. This book was so hot, so very controversial, that the Vatican forced its withdrawal shortly after it was published. This book reveals the hidden hand in the Vatican, that of the top Jesuit leader, always secretly referred to as the "Black Pope".

This CDROM also contains 12 other books:

1 ) History of Romanism, Dowling, 1845;
2 ) History of the Jesuits, Nicolini, 1854;
3 ) Popery, Puseyism, and Jesuitism, Desanctis, 1905;
4 ) Engineer Corps of Hell, Sherman, 1883;
5 ) Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, Brownlee, 1857;
6 ) The Jesuits, Griesinger, 1903;
7 ) Footprints of the Jesuits, Thompson, 1894;
8 ) Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk, Maria Monk, 1835;
9 ) Thrilling Mysteries of a Convent Revealed!, Peterson, 1835;
10) Jesuit Conspiracy: Secret Plan of the Order, Leone, 1848;
11) Crisis: Enemies of America Unmasked, Leone, 1848;
12) Romanism as a World Power, Kauffman, 1922.

As the world races toward the unveiling of Antichrist and his False Prophet, we need to be as aware as possible of the true occult nature of the Roman Catholic Church.



Note from SoftTouch:   I order Books and DVD's from the Cutting Edge Ministry all the time and they are very Reliable.

I just ordered a copy for myself

[SoftTouch]

I found descriptions of the contents of these 13 books on a message board that is now closed:  http://www.apfn.net/messa...05/discussion.cgi.71.html

There are links on there to download these books, but I can not get them to work so I've ordered the CD Rom from Cutting Edge.  But here are the descriptions from the above board:


The 13 books that come on the CD-ROM were written in the 1800's -- with two exceptions and speak of the Jesuits from the historical perspective an author possesses when he is living in a time in which the truth of the Jesuits was more readily known than today; Americans have learned history from schools in which the true history has been rewritten, to spoon-feed us a revised history that disguises the terrible truth of certain institutions as the Jesuits. Further, old books that boldly spoke the truth have gone out of print, or have been suppressed, so we cannot know the truth. These books are the Bibliography of "Vatican Assassins"; they are the resource material from which "Vatican Assassins" was written.

These are the 13 old, out-of-print, and banned books on this CD-ROM:

1. "Secret Instructions of the Jesuits": (1857) Charles III, the King of Spain, in 1767 read the secret instructions of the Jesuits, known at that time as the Secreta Monita, and realized the danger the Jesuits posed to his nation. He sent out letters to all the provinces containing a sealed document that was not to be opened until the 2nd of April. Anyone violating that order would be killed. On April 2nd, all opened the instructions which summoned all troops to gather up the members of the Society of Jesus and expel them from the land. Now you can read what Charles III read and feared.

2. "The Black Pope: A History of the Jesuits", J.F. Cusack (Nun of Denmore) -1896 It is well understood in the Roman Catholic circles that the term "black pope" refers to the Jesuit General and the true power behind the Vatican. Read suppressed anti-Jesuit documents deliberately kept from the American people. Read about the "rules of the Order" that prove it is a demonic system!

3. "Popery Puseyism And Jesuitism”: Luigi Desanctis (Official Censor of the Inquisition)" -1852 Translator's Preface: "These letters were published by Liugi Desanctis under the title of Roma Papale in 1865 at Florence. They appeared in the Record newspaper, in English, French, and German, running through many editions Popery and Jesuitism, which works seem to have disappeared, for only one copy have I traced." Now you can read a part of history thought to be lost forever!

4. "The Crisis: Or, the Enemies of American Unmasked", J. Wayne Laurens (American Historian 1855) America has enemies who are not content to enjoy peace and security and equal rights of citizenship under our constitution and laws. The Jesuits have set out to destroy our liberties. This book exposes their diabolical plan!

5. "The Footprints of the Jesuits": R.W. Thompson, Ex-Secretary of the Navy "The Jesuits, by their very calling, by the very essence of their institution, are bound to seek, by every means, right or wrong, the destruction of Protestantism. This is the condition of their existence, the duty they must fulfill, or cease to be Jesuits."

6. "The Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk", Maria Monk, 1835. It is her autobiography. It shook the world then when she exposed the horrible and shocking secrets of what goes on behind convent doors. Today it is just as shocking and tragic. Now you can read the true story of one nun's nightmare in the Roman Catholic church.

7. "The Thrilling Mysteries of a Convent Revealed", M. Peterson,1835.

8. "The Jesuit Conspiracy: The Secret Plan of the Order"Abbate M. Leone, 1848. In 1825, the Jesuits held a meeting at Chieri, Italy. A young Jesuit, named Leone (later became the black pope) took notes of that meeting. In 1848, they were translated into English and thoroughly "authenticated". Now you can read how the Jesuits plan on world domination and the destruction of Protestantism, using duplicity and a secret war.

9. "Romanism as a World Power", Luther S. Kauffman, 1922.: (1921) A warning to Americans of the true dangers of Roman Catholicism and her drive for world domination.

10. "The Engineer Corps of Hell", Edwin A. Sherman, 1883: "Containing the tactics of the `Militia of the Pope,' or The Secret Manual of the Jesuits, and other matter intensely interesting, especially to the Freemasons and lovers of civil and religious liberty, whithersoever dispersed throughout the globe."

11. "History of Romanism: From the Earliest Corruption of Christianity to the Present Time", John Dowling, 1845. (1845) This book presents a chronological order to the origin and history of Rome's unscriptural doctrines and ceremonies including councils and decrees.

12. "History of the Jesuits: Their Origin, Progress, Doctrines and Designs": G. B. Nicolini 1854 This book is exposes the character and aims of the brotherhood of Loyola. They pose a threat to all mankind, for they will stop at nothing to accomplish their desired end, which is to bring all the world under the Pope, who is under the black pope.

13. "The Jesuits", Theodore Griesinger, 1903: A complete history of their open and secret proceedings from the foundation of the Order to the present time (1903).

On the Book, "Vatican Assassins" (Which is currently out of print):

"Vatican Assassins" also details 20th Century history in a way you have never seen it explained, with the assistance of this extremely unique perspective provided by these 13 books. You will see events of the 20th Century in a completely new light, events about which you may have had questions, but could never find answers. The key is understanding the Black Magick Jesuit order.

The Jesuits were founded on Black Magick, as was the Masters of the Illuminati. The Vatican -- with the Jesuit Black Pope in the background -- opposed the Illuminati until Pope Paul VI, who ascended the Papacy on June 21, 1963.  Immediately, this Pope displayed the satanic Twisted Cross Crucifix, a Black Magick Symbol of Antichrist!

Instantly, occultists the world over realized that a grand merger of forces had just occurred, between the Black Magick Illuminists on the one hand, and the Vatican on the other hand. At this moment, Black Magick ruled both the Illuminati and the Vatican. World events have flowed since then, as the result of this grand merger.

FINAL NOTE: The most important revelation of this book is simple but profound: The top global leader of the Masons is ALSO the Black Pope of the Jesuits! To understand the tremendous significance of this revelation, we invite you to examine the Black Magick Seal of the Illuminati depicting all the forces leading the world to the New World Order, at http://www.cuttingedge.or.../pages/seminar2/SEAL8.htm

Once you know that the top Masonic leader and the Black Pope are the same person, the hierarchy of the Illuminati takes on an entirely new meaning!

A Major Breakthrough in the Proper Understanding of the Roman Catholic Pope, The Jesuit Black Pope, and the Top Leader of Illuminized Freemasonry - Their Roles in History of the World for the Past 250 Years

Once you read this material, you will understand all the historic forces that have cooperated to stage the events designed to bring Antichrist on to the world scene. You will further more completely understand current events, and the people bringing them to pass. This resource is the most complete and most important of any we have ever offered.

"Vatican Assassins" CD-ROM containing 13 different books, most written in the 1800's and most pulled off book shelves by Vatican pressure. These books form the Bibliography of "Vatican Assassins".

Author, Eric Jon Phelps, a Calvinist Baptist, exposes the evil order of the Jesuits, the real power behind the Vatican in his book "Vatican Assassins: Wounded In The House Of My Friends". Mr. Phelps challenges all truth-seekers to go through the annals of history and examine the diabolical interference of the Jesuits in the affairs of all governments. Find out why the Jesuits were expelled from almost every country in Europe, and how they have been using the United States of America to further their mission to:

"...destroy the Protestant Reformation and restore the Dark Ages with the Pope exercising his temporal power as the Universal Monarch, ruling from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem."

Since 1550 A.D., the Pope has sought to reverse the Protestant Reformation and return the total power economically, diplomatically and militarily to the Vatican, as in the days before Martin Luther.  To establish this goal, the Vatican established the Order of the Jesuits, turning to Black Magick Witchcraft through the Society of
Loyola.

Using old forgotten books, Mr. Phelps takes us through war after war, showing the Jesuits' hand in instigating and provoking revolution and bloodshed in one nation after another. The Jesuits wreaked such havoc on the world that our own early American presidents and patriots warned of the dangers of letting the Jesuits in our land. Most of the nations in Europe have thrown the Jesuits out at one time or another because the Jesuits were planning and fomenting revolution against
the throne!

General Lafayette, in 1799 wrote: "It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country" the United States of America "are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuits Priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe".

In 1816, John Adams wrote to President Jefferson: "Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell it is this Society of Loyola's."

Abraham Lincoln, who was assassinated by the Jesuits, wrote in a personal letter to Charles Chiniquy: "This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to Popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons".

[Appointed Time]

Hi SoftTouch,

This is a great website for those of us who want to look 'deeper.'

I posted this article on another thread and thought it might be appropriate to repost it here.

From:  http://www.arcticbeacon.com./25-Sept-2006.html

Confession No. 16: Former Bishop of Gautemala Claims Jesuits Control the Vatican and Are the Real Spiritual Controllers of the New World Order
Bishop Gerard Bouffard says the Jesuit General, Fr Peter Hans Kolvenbach, gives the marching orders to the Pope. He also backs up the accusations made by the late Fr. Alberto Rivera about the evil Jesuit Order.
25 Sep 2006

By Greg Szymanski

Former Bishop Gerard Bouffard of Guatemala said the Vatican is "the real spiritual controller" of the Illuminati and New World Order while the Jesuits through the Black Pope, Jesuit Gen. Fr. Peter Hans Kolvenbach, actually control the Vatican hierarchy and the Roman Catholic Church.

Bishop Bouffard, who left the Church and is now a born again Christian living n Canada, based his conclusion after working six years as a Vatican priest, assigned the task of passing daily, sensitive correspondence between the Pope and the leaders of the Jesuit Order residing at Borgo Santo Spirito 5 near St. Peter's Square.

"Yes, the man known as the Black Pope controls all major decisions made by the Pope and he in turn controls the Illuminati," said Bishop Bouffard last week on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, at www.gcnlive.com where archives of the startling statements can be heard in their entirety.

"I know this to be true since I worked for years in the Vatican and traveled with Pope John Paul II. The Pope takes his marching orders from the Black Pope as the Jesuits also arte the leaders of the New World Order, with the task of infiltrating other religions and governments of the world in order to bring about a one world fascist government and a one world religion based on satanism and Lucifer.

"People can't imagine how evil and how much destruction they have caused and will cause while, at the same time using the perfect cover of hiding behind black robes and professing to be men of God."

Bishop Bouffard's first hand knowledge of the evil lurking within the hierarchy of the Vatican and particularly the Jesuit Order confirms the testimony of other researchers, including Bill Hughes, author of the shocking books The Enemy Unmasked and The Secret Terrorists, as well as preeminent researcher of the Jesuit Order, Eric Jon Phelps, author of Vatican Assassins.

Besides painting a dark picture of the Black Pope in Rome, Bishop Bouffard claims the evil power of the Jesuits extends throughout the world, including   solid infiltration of the U.S. government, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and major religious organizations.

Bishop Buffard claims the Jesuits act like the perfect chameleons, taking on the identity of Protestants, Mormons, Baptists and Jews with the intention of bringing about the downfall of America as well as bringing the country under a one world religion based in Jerusalem and under the control of their leader, Lucifer.

"I know first hand that the Vatican controls and monitors everything in Israel with the intention of destroying the Jews," said Bishop Bouffard, adding the true purpose of the Jesuit Order is to orchestrate and control all leaders of the world in order to bring about a major worldwide conflict which will eventually destroy America, the Middle East and Israel. "They destroy everything from within and want to bring about the destruction of the Catholic Church, as well, in order to usher in a one world religion based on satanism. This is also seen in the way priests worship in the Mass, actually worshipping the dead. Also, signs of satanism are seen in many outward symbols, customs and vestments displayed by the Church."

After his service in Rome, Bishop Bouffard spent time in Africa and Guatemala, rising to a position of power within the Church. However, with this religious power came affiliation and membership as a Freemason,   becoming a 37 Degree Masonic member, something supposedly frowned upon in the Roman Catholic Church since, according to Canon Law, membership in a Masonic Lodge brings immediate excommunication.

According to Bishop Bouffard, Freemasonry is used by the Church to carry out its secret plans, as many other high-level priest, bishops, cardinals and even popes have joined secret societies along with others in positions of power in other religions and governments, many working together to further the evil Illuminati agenda.

And his statements back up reports which surfaced in Italian and French newspapers in the early 1980's, reporting more than 150 high level priests with membership in Freemasonry, including the P2 Masonic Lodge and other secret societies.

"I finally was born again and denounced the Catholic Church," said Bishop Bouffard, who now is a practicing Christian following the word of God through the Bible. "We must always pray for our leaders by openly denouncing evil and exposing the Jesuits for what they really are."

After leaving the Church, Bishop Bouffard also made amends and asked the late Jesuit priest, Fr. Alberto Rivera for his forgiveness. Fr. Rivera was one of the few Jesuit priests with the courage to expose the evil intentions of the Society of Jesus, coming forward telling how he worked as one of the Jesuit Order's infiltrators in America with the job of infiltrating Protestant and Baptist churches with the intent of destroying them from within.

"When I was a bishop and still loyal to the Church, I once wrote a letter denouncing Fr. Rivera and advocating his death," said Bishop Bouffard. "When I realized the truth, I searched out Frt. Rivera and asked his forgiveness. We became good friends and I know he was telling the truth. He was an honest many who also found God.

"I know the Jesuits tried to change the truth, saying he never was a priest and destroying all evidence backing that up. They have tried to do the same to me, but Fr. Rivera was telling the truth without question. I know that for a fact and even was with him several weeks before his death. He was suffering terribly after being poisoned with acid. Like I said, you can't imagine the suffering and destruction that has been caused and will be caused by the Jesuits"

In an article entitled Alberto: the Big Brou-haw-haw, an unknown writer who followed Bishop Bouffard career and his connection with Fr. Rivera had this to say, including the Vatican's difficulty in trying to cover-up both Rivera and Bouffard's accusations:

"Then there's the corroborating testimony provided by Fr. Gerard Bouffard. He was a high ranking bishop born in Quebec, Canada. He rose from lower levels of his orders to become an assistant for many years to Popes such as Paul VI and John Paul II. He converted to protestantism and claims he was the man who received the order to eleminate Rivera. In a documentary called Unveiling the Mystery Behind Catholic Symbols, Bouffard shows a fancy 18-carat gold plated pen containing a special disappearing ink with which the Holy Office authorities sign top secret documents. He claims, "With this pen that I am holding, I signed the order to kill Dr. Rivera". Pretty dramatic cloak and dagger stuff! His previous high profile position would make him an easy target for discrediting... Yet the silence is deafening.

"The Vatican also has its own credibility problems to contend with. From a historical context, Alberto's claims to be a Jesuit working undercover to destroy protestant churches is not as far flung as it might seem. The Jesuits were created in 1541 by Ignatius De Loyola for that very purpose (although some Jesuits dispute this, naturally). They engaged in countless dirty tricks, assassinations, and treasonous plots during their hay day. The Office of the Inquisition was an out growth of their mission which resulted in the torture and/or murder of millions of innocent people for "heresy". That department has since been renamed The Holy Office, but the Jesuits have never bothered with a name change. How much their goals have changed with time is also a uncertain. Neither organization is very transparent and both serve the interests of the Pope. Bad reputations are not easily forgotten.

"If Alberto's story is a lie, it's brilliant piece of fiction with amazing consistency. There are certainly other conspiracies that have been dreamed up which are equally vivid and intricate. The JFK assassination conspiracy and the UFO /Majestic 12 conspiracy come foremost to mind. But these conspiracies were created and improved by hundreds of people over a long period of time, then pieced together and rearranged until they formed a plausible narrative. After twenty or so years of "public input" and revisions, a semi-"official" version is adopted. If any particular part of it is proven to be false, it morphs into a slightly different version without the disproven parts.

"Alberto had none of these resources. His own story came from him alone. It wasn't revised and honed for decades by committee before Chick published it. On the contrary, it was published in its entirety and then sublimated with additional volumes (five more comics) giving more names and dates but no retractions. If he in fact "made it all up", then he certainly deserves a prize for literary genius. Especially as far as his own biographical intrigues are concerned (move over Baron von Munchausen?).

"After twenty years of investigation, all the Pope's resources have failed to "prove" Alberto was a fake. Of course, Alberto failed to "prove" his allegations against the Vatican as well. So at best, the contest is still a draw. Maybe future developments will yield something dramatic. But don't count on it. We'll probably never know if Alberto was really "real" unless the Pope were to come straight out and confess it. (And that stands about as much of a chance of happening as a flying saucer landing on the White House lawn.) It is definitely delicious food for thought, however, and far more scary than any premise aired on X-files.

To read a defense of Alberto from the Chick site, go here:

http://www.chick.com/read...ng/books/199/0199cont.asp

Throughout history, the Jesuit Order has been tied together with war and genocide, being formally removed from many countries, including France and England. As researchers claim the Jesuits are the real spiritual controllers of the New World Order, author Phelps has also called for the Order's banishment in this country.

However, with more than 28 major universities from coast to coast, the Order has created a strong political and financial foothold here, including secret control of the CFR and control of many banks like Bank of America and the Federal Reserve banking system, making Phelps' call for banishment a difficult if not improbable task. 

Appointed Time

[loveoftruth]

Hi SoftTouch,

I was raised a Catholic and still consider myself one.  My uncle is a Deacon in the Church and is the closest person to a saint that I have ever met.  I consider myself a Christian first and a Catholic second.  To me that means if I determine that the Church departs from the teachings and accepted Catholic traditions that do not conflict with the Bible then I will be just a Christian.  Regardless, in the past I have watched the video “Vatican Assassins” and it is persuasive.  I currently do not believe that the church and in particular the Jesuits are controlling Freemasonry and the Illuminati. I believe that Prince Charles is the one who is controlling Freemasonry and will be the one to negotiate a peace treaty for Israel.  I do believe that Freemasons have infiltrated the church in order to corrupt it from the inside.

Most of us here believe with our whole hearts and minds in the divinity of Jesus and in the validity of Christian teachings as the closest we can get to understanding the true God and creator.  Assume for a second that the Catholic Church is properly following the Bible and Jesus.  I know that will be a big assumption for most, just try .  We have all heard the axiom “United we stand, divided we fall”.  What if Lucifer's plan was to divide the Church with the Reformation (I'm not saying there wasn't a just cause)?  The Reformation was followed by the Renaissance, the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment in the 18th century.  The Enlightenment is when the Illuminati and Freemasonry as well as many scientific discoveries came to the forefront of Western Civilization.  The Enlightenment in my opinion is when people usually scholars practiced the mystery Babylonian religion.  The Luciferian's possibly manipulated these events in Western Civilization to separate the ecclesiastical powers from worldly rule, which is not necessarily a bad thing.  They also manipulated the bloodlines so that those with a purer Luciferian bloodline (which gives them more magical power I assume) and placed these people as rulers in Europe.  I am not a historian nor am I extremely knowledgeable on the Bible or Christian History.  I only provide these thoughts as a possible caveat that perhaps it is not the Catholic Church.  I believe that the Freemasons and Illuminati want us to believe this, so that if they go downs so will the Church.  Ultimately I do not know and I will side with Jesus no matter what. 

One of the reasons that I am skeptical of the Catholic Church controlling the Freemasons is that a Catholic will be excommunicated if they join Freemasonry.  I believe that I have personally faced discrimination in the workplace based on the fact that I can't join Freemasonry.  I believe that most of the pedophile priests were either communists or freemasons, both of which high-ranking officials practice occultist magic.  I also think that people who get to deep into the occult will have offspring that are homosexual, but that is only conjecture. 

Famous Freemasons
Pat Robertson
Billy Graham
New Age Christian Cults
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Louis Farrahkan (The sinister minister)
Possibly Jesuits Priests?
Joseph Smith  founder of Mormonism
Mary Baker Eddy  Founder of Christian Science
Charles Tess Russel - 32º - Created Jehovah's Witness

The following organizations worship Lucifer, whether they know it or not. Qabalah, Freemasonry, The Tijanihay Order, The Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Sufism The Secret Doctrine of the Assassins (Persia), New Age Christianity, The Age of Aquarius, Freemasonry, Illuminati.  So basically at the top of many Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Communist organizations is an elite that practices the occult arts.

You can read more on the Catholic viewpoint on Freemasonry below.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm
You can also visit the forum on http://www.catholic.com and have detailed discussions with Catholics so that you can judge them by “fruits” as in the Bible.

Please read my website for a more detailed look at where my current thoughts are on the current world situation.  If you only visit one website that I have posted, make sure it is the following.  I am quite sure you will enjoy the read.
http://home.neb.rr.com/currentevents/testify5.htm


Pope Pius VIII or Pope Leo XIII
Their Law is Untruth: Their God is the Devil and their Cult is Turpitude. Filled with the spirit of satan, who knows how to transform himself into an angel of light, Freemasonry puts forward as its pretended aim the good of humanity. Paying a lip service to the authority of law, and even to the obligations of religion, it aims at the destruction of civil authority and the Christian priesthood, both of which it regards as the foes of human liberty.

[SoftTouch]

Thank you for posting that article Appointed Time!  I'll have to read it as soon as I get some time (getting ready to take kids to school right now )


Loveoftruth

I understand how this topic must bother you and I'm sorry for that.  Please know that I don't believe that all Catholics are hell bound.  I Know there are truly saved Catholics who rely Solely on Jesus' finished work on the cross and his resurrection for their salvation by Grace through Faith (and not on their works or the teachings and traditions of the RCC).  This applies to anyone, not just Catholics.  But I do believe that a truly saved Catholic will eventually be led by God's Holy Spirit to come out of the Roman system as it is Not Christian, it only has an appearance of being Christian.  Christianity didn't conquer Rome, Rome hijacked Christianity and has been deceiving untold billions of people throughout the ages.  The Vatican has Much Blood on their hands to answer to God for.

I have been researching all these things since 1998 and it all started with an in-depth study of the Roman Catholic Church/Vatican and it's morph into the Holy Roman Empire and what ensued from that.  (I have not read it myself, but I understand that Foxes Book of Martyrs explains a lot of what happened at the hands of the RCC in the middle ages.)

I know more then my share about Freemasonry, the Illuminati, and all the little break off groups that go along with it.  They are all part of these deceptions, but now I understand who's behind it all.  I'm also fully aware of the apostate Christian groups that have left their first love.  Strange thing is, these apostate Christian groups are leading people right back to Rome.

I started my search in 1998 with the Vatican and here I am in 2006  full circle  right back at Rome and the Vatican.

I'd like to offer a few websites that will shed the light of Truth on the teachings of the RCC.  I pray you'll check into them:

Just For Catholics, Dr Joseph Mizzi's Ministry
http://www.justforcatholics.org/

Understanding Roman Catholicism by Rick Jones
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp

Smokescreens by Jack Chick
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp

In fact, there's a whole list of online reading at Chick's site on Catholicism:
http://www.chick.com/read.../?wpc=reading/default.asp
(Foxes book of Martyrs is on there as well)

UnMasking Catholicism by Mary Ann Collins (a former Nun)
http://www.unmaskingcatholicism.com/

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Awesome posts here, great info!!!

I understand how this topic must bother you and I'm sorry for that

It is disturbing, was for me as I was a Catholic. I started researching many conspiracies since 911, before that I was into ufo coverups etc. I saw some conspiracy documentaries that had information I didn't like, stuff about Catholicsm so I dismissed it away, but after seeing more and more I bit the bullet and went in deep myself, searching everywhere, was shocked and amazed and disgruntled and annoyed, then I found this forum and learnt the right way about God, and still learning.

I posted these two a while back, the pictures are amazing.
http://www.tofm.org/papacy/pope_mitre.htm
http://www.geocities.com/...rthenon/5862/sunpope.html

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God Bless You Bro Peter!! It was your research that helped me revisit this and realize what's been going on.

It's good to see you!  I've been wonderin where ya been


To those struggling with the issue of the RCC being a Huge Deception...  Believe it or not, I can understand because of what I went through in having to acknowledge and act upon the fact that the Beatles were agents of Lucifer and that I had allowed them (especially Harrison) to become the gods in my life.  Some folks may laugh at this or not believe that it could come anywhere close to someone seeing the truth about their religion or church, but unfortunately they had become my religion and when the Lord woke me up to that fact I had to renounce them and throw all my Beatle/Harrison paraphnalia (sp?) away.  You just don't know how hard that was for me!  It was very Painful to see the truth (sometimes it still hurts when I think about Harrison never accepting Jesus). 

But when we LOVE The Lord Jesus Christ (and I DO) and cling onto HIM and ask for HIS Truth (which I did and still do), HE will open our eyes to what we need to see.  The Holy Spirit leds us into all Truth when we call upon the Lord.

Seek and Ye Shall Find
Knock and it will be opened unto you
Ask and it shall be given
                         ~~A Paraphrase from Jesus' words

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Alberto Rivera was a Jesuit priest. When his mother died while he was still very young, he made up his mind that by becoming a priest he would learn the truth about God, and be able to bring that to others. If you are a Catholic, or have Catholic friends or loved ones, this story is for you.

The Story of a Jesuit Priest

Please click on the url above, it takes you to an awesome site which has the story in comic book format. Read the story on Alberto and then the Godfathers which is part 2.  They have a great FAQ page and heaps of books and  info. I only begun exploring this site, so far its pretty good and informative.

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But I do believe that a truly saved Catholic will eventually be led by God's Holy Spirit to come out of the Roman system as it is Not Christian, it only has an appearance of being Christian.  Christianity didn't conquer Rome, Rome hijacked Christianity and has been deceiving untold billions of people throughout the ages.  The Vatican has Much Blood on their hands to answer to God for.

SoftTouch...this happened to me.  Went to Catholic school for 10 years...didn't get out of the church until 2001...but I questioned the church and the priests and nuns from the time I was in 3rd grade.

Thank you, Deb for the website links you posted...I will check them out and send them to many family/friends that are still in that trap of the Catholic religion.

Judy

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But I do believe that a truly saved Catholic will eventually be led by God's Holy Spirit to come out of the Roman system as it is Not Christian, it only has an appearance of being Christian.  Christianity didn't conquer Rome, Rome hijacked Christianity and has been deceiving untold billions of people throughout the ages.  The Vatican has Much Blood on their hands to answer to God for.

SoftTouch...this happened to me.  Went to Catholic school for 10 years...didn't get out of the church until 2001...but I questioned the church and the priests and nuns from the time I was in 3rd grade.

Thank you, Deb for the website links you posted...I will check them out and send them to many family/friends that are still in that trap of the Catholic religion.

Judy

God Bless you Sis and Welcome to WOP!  I'm glad you're here   I pray the links will be a Valuable Helper for your family!  Many of my Dad's family are RCC as well, I certainly understand how difficult it is to try and present the Truth to them.  Praying for the Lord to open your families eyes!  In Jesus Name, Amen!

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Hi Love oftruth,

You wrote,"One of the reasons that I am skeptical of the Catholic Church controlling the Freemasons is that a Catholic will be excommunicated if they join Freemasonry."

Our enemy is a clever fellow. Nothing in his world is as it seems. I think that all the occult groups, mystery religions, secret societies are part of a whole that is not apparent to us at first glance.

Hitler also outlawed occultism and secret societies, even though he was deeply involved in both. Sometimes it is wise to appear to be against the very things that one supports, in order to operate with greater effectiveness.

Our allegiance is to Christ Himself and not to any religious group! It is the blood of Christ and our faith in Him that binds us in fellowship.

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I thought the following article might be of interest to this thread. I could only find a handful of mentions on the web and nothing at all since about May 2006.

The head of the Jesuits, known as the “Black Pope” because of his black robes, is to step down voluntarily for the first time in the order's 500-year history.

Father Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, a Dutch prelate who has been Jesuit Superior General since 1983, resigned after tensions between the liberal-minded Jesuits and more conservative forces in the Roman Catholic Church. Since the election of Pope Benedict XVI last April a battle has been fought between the Jesuits and the conservative Opus Dei for control of the Vatican's media operations.

 
 
The Vatican said that Father Kolvenbach wanted to “hand the baton to a younger man”, and that Pope Benedict XVI had given his blessing to the move. Father Kolvenbach will stand down in 2008, when he is 80. The Jesuits, the largest Catholic order, are said to have led opposition to the election of Pope Benedict.


I thought it was slightly interesting that the Australian Provincial, Fr Mark Raper was indicated as one of the frontrunners for the job since there was a bit of controversy concerning the Freemasons in Victoria. You can read more about the supposed controversy than you want to here:

www.gaiaguys.net/oldindex.htm

These "guys" are most certainly misguided, at best, when it comes to their views on the relationship between man, God and the earth, but they may have stumbled into something significant that deserves some investigation when it comes to the Freemasons and the OTO. They have collected quite a bit of compelling evidence.

I am attempting to contact these guys (without much success so far) and set them straight with the word of God. I would appreciate any help and support I can get from you all in this regard. They have a lot of untwisting that needs to be done.

God bless,
Nick

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Softt touch, I've just read your post:

Then it Hit Me!  How Brilliant!  satan is a Master Deceiver and very slick!  What Better Way to Discredit the entire Conspiracy in the eyes of Christians, then to have these groups (which all belong to him and therefore have not credibility themselves with Christians) speaking out against others of his own.

This is indeed a leap of understanding that I have been unable to grasp until just this moment. Of course, this says much to explain the above mentioned website.

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Softt touch, I've just read your post:

Then it Hit Me!  How Brilliant!  satan is a Master Deceiver and very slick!  What Better Way to Discredit the entire Conspiracy in the eyes of Christians, then to have these groups (which all belong to him and therefore have not credibility themselves with Christians) speaking out against others of his own.

This is indeed a leap of understanding that I have been unable to grasp until just this moment. Of course, this says much to explain the above mentioned website.

I was beginning to think it was only me (or maybe I'm just nutz? )  since no one had commented on my 'leap of understanding' that LOL!  Thanks!  It's very encouraging to know that someone else sees it too! 

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I wish I could have the pleasure of meeting more people as crazy as you. LOL

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I wish I could have the pleasure of meeting more people as crazy as you. LOL

I'm the only one I know personally   LOL!  Most people think I'm just Nuts when I start talking about the NWO/Illuminati etc. (even my pastor and his wife)... but they accept me anyways   I don't dare speak these things in front of my dad (a die hard Bushite  )  I like living in this house LOL!  But I'm still trying to reach him for Jesus!  My husband is finally starting to see the truth of these Conspiracies, thanks to all the DVD's he watches with me

I don't 'push' these things in person, but boy when I've got a forum where I can Express what I'm Seeing!  This place is a Refuge for me!  This is the Only online place where I can be amongst Brethren and Expose the works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11) without being labeled a "Conspiracy Nut" and given a Tin Hat Crown

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I've just received my latest Newsletter from Gary Kah's Hope For The World Ministry and there are some very interesting things in here!  Here are a few dealing with Rome (The Vatican) and the coming New World Order


Who Rules America?

by Gary Kah

Not only does the Vatican have a grip on a large number of presidential candidates, it has a virtual lock up on our Supreme Court.  With the recent appointments of John Roberts and Samuel Alito by President Bush, 5 of the 9 Justices are now Roman Catholic.  This is the first time in US history that the “Holy See” has held a direct majority in our highest court.

During the 1960's, at one point, 8 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices were Freemasons.  Being that Freemasonry is rooted in Roman Catholicism through the order of the Knights of the Temple (Knights Templar), one could argue that the Vatican has maintained an indirect foothold in our high court ever since.  Chief Justice Earl Warren  who reigned at that time and after whom the Warren Commission was named  also happened to be the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of California.  During his tenure many rulings were made that adversely affect America to this day.

Individually speaking, the Supreme Court Justices have become the most powerful decision-makers in the land, often wielding more influence then our elected officials in Congress and, sometimes, the President himself.  This is not right, considering they are not elected, but appointed.  Yet, once in place, they are “in for life.”

What are the odds of a majority of the Justices being Catholic without there being some sort of effort behind this?  Catholics represent only around one-fourth of all US citizens (not counting illegal aliens), yet they hold a 56% majority in the high court.  Even though there are a significant number of conservative Bible-Based Protestants who are qualified to hold these positions, the field consistently gets narrowed down to the Catholic nominees.

When Harriet Meiers was presented as a candidate for the Supreme Court, once it was discovered that she had abandoned Catholicism attacks began to flow and became so intense she was forced to withdraw.  This effort was lunched by Catholics like Senator Brownback who convinced leading Evangelicals that she was not a conservative, but a wolf in sheep's clothing  this in spite of the fact that she had become increasingly conservative throughout her career.

The amazing thing is, the 5 Catholic Justices do appear to be the most conservative judges on the current bench.  The other Justices are either liberal Protestants or Jews  two of whom are CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) members.  As a result, conservative Christians have increasingly found themselves aligned with these Catholic judges.

It is not that these men are necessarily more evil then others or that we should despise them.  It is just that as individuals with strong Roman Catholic backgrounds, their ultimate loyalty could be to Rome and not to our Constitutional Republic  toward which the Papacy has historically been adversarial.  The Vatican has worked hard for many years to position itself in American politics.  At present it is winning the battle; it is successfully backing our nation into a corner.

In the 1960's and 70's morality began to decline in the United States, due in part to horrific decisions by the Supreme Court.  In the 80's and 90's this downward spiral accelerated to the point where we are now in a spiritual crisis.  Christians are desperately trying to bring about change, and Roman Catholic politicians and judges  promoted largely by Catholics in the media and by one-world power brokers  are being presented as our potential heroes.  In short, Americans are being forced to look to Catholics for “moral” leadership.  This is a clever trap being laid by the master deceiver!

satan always creates a problem, fans it into a crisis condition, then offers a counterfeit solution on his terms.  He is incredibly deceptive.  Jesus didn't call him the Father of Lies for no reason.  He almost always masquerades as an angel of light.

Most Americans, I fear, don't know enough about spiritual warfare to see what is really taking place.  They do not understand the nature of our battle and the Vatican's role in it.  This will lead to serious consequences down the road.  True Christians will almost certainly face persecution at some point in the days to come.

Yet, in spite of the fact that satan is a formidable adversary and may succeed for a time, our God is much greater.  When our leaders fail us, we can still confidently trust in our Lord.  Fortunately, we know that He will have the final say!

Rev 12:11 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

1 John 4:4b because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

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(New Age) Ark of Hope on Display at Catholic Covenent

The last location of the Ark of Hope  that we are aware of  was in Monroe, Michigan, (about 35 miles south of Detroit) where it was on display at the Immaculate Heart of Mary convent.  The following description appeared in the Monroe News.

The Ark of Hope  the chest that serves as the symbolic home of the Earth Charter  will make a stop in Monroe to coincide with Earth Day.

The ark and a hand-crafted papyrus copy of the Earth Charter, an international declaration for building a just, sustainable and peaceful global society in the 21st century, will be exhibited April 19-27 at Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Motherhouse, 610W. Elm Ave. (Source:  Chest, Earth Charter to be shown at IHM, by Michelle Swartz, monoroenews.com, April 13, 2007, Document ID:  1189D519CED3B338).

As a reminder, the Earth Charter is to beome the crowning document of the coming global government.  Its chief spokesman and advocate has been Mikahail Gorbachev.  It has also been endorsed by the United Nations (via UNESCO) and a host of New Age/One-World/Inter-fatih figures.